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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:32 am 
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Well... it's about freaking time.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/03/nielsen-family-is-dead/

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On February 7, the fourth season of Community kicked off on NBC. It was something of a shock that the show had survived for so long. It ranked 193rd among broadcast shows. In May 2012, series creator and showrunner Dan Harmon had been unceremoniously canned. And on the night it aired, the season premiere pulled in just 4 million viewers. That’s a mere quarter of the audience enjoyed by ratings juggernauts like Two and a Half Men or The Big Bang Theory. It even underperformed a rerun of the ABC reality show Shark Tank on the Nielsen charts.

Until recently, those 4 million viewers would have been the end of the story. Just a few years ago, similar niche favorites like Jericho and Firefly were summarily executed for such numbers. In fact, cult legend Freaks and Geeks averaged nearly 7 million viewers in its single, 1999-2000 season before getting canceled. But that night in February, Community accomplished something that none of those shows ever had the chance to do—it spawned two worldwide trending topics on Twitter.

All of your favorite shows are ratings dogs. Breaking Bad, Girls, Mad Men—each struggles to get a Nielsen score higher than 3, representing about 8.7 million viewers. And it’s not just cable. NBC’s 30 Rock struggled to top a score of 2.5, and Parks and Recreation rarely cracks Nielsen’s top 25. There are two possible conclusions to draw from these facts: (1) All these shows should be canceled, or (2) maybe the ratings are measuring the wrong thing. Since the 1970s, television has been ruled by the Nielsen Family—25,000 households whose TV habits collectively provide a statistical snapshot of a nation’s viewing behavior. Over the years, the Nielsen rating has been tweaked, but it still serves one fundamental purpose: to gauge how many people are watching a given show on a conventional television set. But that’s not how we watch any more. Hulu, Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, Roku, iTunes, smartphone, tablet—none of these platforms or devices are reflected in the Nielsen rating. (In February Nielsen announced that this fall it would finally begin including Internet streaming to TV sets in its ratings.)


Let's hope this means that the battle to keep our favorite shows going is about to get easier.


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The other thing is, our current viewing habits inherently provide feedback to content providers about what we're watching. When you stream something from Hulu, Netflix, or any of those services, there's a record that the video was streamed. So, Nielsen are too **** late with including internet streaming in their ratings.

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Corolinth wrote:
The other thing is, our current viewing habits inherently provide feedback to content providers about what we're watching. When you stream something from Hulu, Netflix, or any of those services, there's a record that the video was streamed. So, Nielsen are too **** late with including internet streaming in their ratings.


Of course they are. They're dinosaurs. But at least it will be taken into consideration, instead of entirely ignored. I can't remember the last time I watched a show that wasn't time-shifted. We don't need the 65-100 year old demographic deciding the fate of every single show.


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Darkroland wrote:
Of course they are. They're dinosaurs. But at least it will be taken into consideration, instead of entirely ignored. I can't remember the last time I watched a show that wasn't time-shifted. We don't need the 65-100 year old demographic deciding the fate of every single show.


This could explain how CBS and all the awful garbage they put on TV somehow rates as the "Most Watched <insert genre>". Perhaps all those old people died watching 60 minutes and their TVs have just been logging them as CBS viewers.

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Relevant: Netflix just passed HBO in US subscribers.

http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/ne ... 200406437/


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Hopwin wrote:
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Of course they are. They're dinosaurs. But at least it will be taken into consideration, instead of entirely ignored. I can't remember the last time I watched a show that wasn't time-shifted. We don't need the 65-100 year old demographic deciding the fate of every single show.


This could explain how CBS and all the awful garbage they put on TV somehow rates as the "Most Watched <insert genre>". Perhaps all those old people died watching 60 minutes and their TVs have just been logging them as CBS viewers.

Are you kidding? There's a simple reason CBS is the most successful traditional Network these days -- Forensics procedurals sell like hotcakes. NCIS and CSI? That **** is gold.

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That doesn't explain their terrible, terrible comedies' successes.


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That doesn't explain their terrible, terrible comedies' successes.

No, but the American public does.

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There isn't a single show on CBS that I watch. Not a single one.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Hopwin wrote:
Darkroland wrote:
Of course they are. They're dinosaurs. But at least it will be taken into consideration, instead of entirely ignored. I can't remember the last time I watched a show that wasn't time-shifted. We don't need the 65-100 year old demographic deciding the fate of every single show.


This could explain how CBS and all the awful garbage they put on TV somehow rates as the "Most Watched <insert genre>". Perhaps all those old people died watching 60 minutes and their TVs have just been logging them as CBS viewers.

Are you kidding? There's a simple reason CBS is the most successful traditional Network these days -- Forensics procedurals sell like hotcakes. NCIS and CSI? That **** is gold painted ****.


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I was referring to monetary value. Perhaps it would've been more accurate to use the phrase "gold mine" than declare that it's gold.

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Raell wrote:
There isn't a single show on CBS that I watch. Not a single one.



Not a Big Bang Theory fan?

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To be honest, I find very few television shows more insulting, denigrating, and stupid than Big Bang Theory.

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Khross wrote:
To be honest, I find very few television shows more insulting, denigrating, and stupid than Big Bang Theory.

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Khross wrote:
To be honest, I find very few television shows more insulting, denigrating, and stupid than Big Bang Theory.


BBT is *much* funnier without the laugh track. But that isn't saying much.

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Müs wrote:
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To be honest, I find very few television shows more insulting, denigrating, and stupid than Big Bang Theory.
BBT is *much* funnier without the laugh track. But that isn't saying much.
Far be it for me to go all bleeding heart on your guys, but ...

The show is about laughing at people with cognitive disabilities.

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I've found that most people who complain about the Big Bang Theory being denigrating come from the ranks of the lesser disciplines.

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It's got little to do with their disciplines, because, to be fair, Mayim Balik is only acting on the personality front. She holds the Ph.D. her character has in reality. I find the character writing for Sheldon and Raj to be offensive. Leonard, Howard, and the Girls are generally fine.

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I just think it's funny.

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Khross wrote:
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Khross wrote:
To be honest, I find very few television shows more insulting, denigrating, and stupid than Big Bang Theory.
BBT is *much* funnier without the laugh track. But that isn't saying much.
Far be it for me to go all bleeding heart on your guys, but ...

The show is about laughing at people with cognitive disabilities.


The Sheldon is an Aspie theory?

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Nah, not anything so horrible as that.

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Khross wrote:
Far be it for me to go all bleeding heart on your guys, but ...

The show is about laughing at people with cognitive disabilities.


So it's pretty close to real life then.

On a serious note, the episode where Sheldon had to care for a sick Blossom was hilarious.


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I watched the first three seasons of BBT, and laughed my *** off through the entire thing. I never got around to watching four or five though...

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