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Also, 'Skeee, while I'll concede that Iron Man 2 had some deep-rooted flaws, it did several things *very* well. Tony's internal journey, for instance, was nearly as compelling an experience of self-destruction, enlightenment, and self-discovery as the first. I expect it to be eclipsed in this latest installment, though.

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The Mummy. Ugh. I have issues with any non-comedy movie that has not one... not two... but three Comic Reliefs active simultaneously. The opening Egyptian scenes were cool though.

But I will throw in my vote for liking Cap over Thor (though I liked them both). Take out many of the Natalie Portman scenes (or take her out entirely, as much as I like her) and Thor would eke out over Cap.

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Cap has been my favorite of all the Marvel films so far.

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Saw this and thought it was excellent. Definitely some things were unexpected, but I'm really happy with how it was done.


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Just saw it. Ultimately I felt some (*) parts were a let down and the ending was a bit too convenient. Was still very good though, and I wish we got to see each of the suits a bit more!

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The Mandarin was a complete let down. He had so much potential and ends up a puppet on a string? Come on.

Also, the movie in itself was more Tony Stark than it was Ironman, which is fine, but they pulled a nice bait and switch with the trailers.


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Saw it, thought it was good. Full of Stark'isms, powered armor and giant fight scenes... I got everything out of it I went into it for...

Its a bloody comic book movie, not a theatrical work of art ;)

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From the trailer I was really worried how they were going to handle all the Iron Man suits showing up, but it turned out really good.


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Very good movie. But it was missing something very important for the atmosphere...

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Not a single AC/DC song... heck, not even any other classic metal...

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Good point Talya, I didn't even realize that.


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Saw it, enjoyed it, will buy it when its released.

Going to let it settle for awhile before I get into any of the whine spoilers I didn't notice.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Also, 'Skeee, while I'll concede that Iron Man 2 had some deep-rooted flaws, it did several things *very* well. Tony's internal journey, for instance, was nearly as compelling an experience of self-destruction, enlightenment, and self-discovery as the first. I expect it to be eclipsed in this latest installment, though.

Strenuously disagree. Stark's arc in IM2 was so poorly scripted and ridiculously, cartoonishly rushed that it robbed it of any weight. That's what makes Iron Man 2 such a stinkpot, not the half-assed Justin Hammer/Mickey Rourke part (which was equally weak, but completely devoid of emotional involvement, and thus failed less because its importance was lesser).


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Farsky, i'm wounded.

You won't even address the unforgivable lack of Brian Johnson and Angus Young in this movie.

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From the Paramount logo kicking off with the chintzy Eiffel 65 tune, it's made readily apparent that this film is somewhat different from the rest. And while it was perfectly used in Iron Man, the AC/DC usage seemed to be strained in its IM2 inclusion (seriously, this was the track listing of the soundtrack, which wasn't all in the film, but still).

Maybe it's simple association of AC/DC's music with the crappy sequel that taints my reaction to it, but I'm actually kind of OK with it.


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From the Paramount logo kicking off with the chintzy Eiffel 65 tune, it's made readily apparent that this film is somewhat different from the rest. And while it was perfectly used in Iron Man, the AC/DC usage seemed to be strained in its IM2 inclusion (seriously, this was the track listing of the soundtrack, which wasn't all in the film, but still).

Maybe it's simple association of AC/DC's music with the crappy sequel that taints my reaction to it, but I'm actually kind of OK with it.


It's inclusion in The Avengers was, quite frankly, perfect.


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Oh, most definitely...which is another reason I'm cool with it being missing from IM3. It was used perfectly, and its use transposed to that non-standalone film


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I was a little disappointed, honestly.

I'm not going to get up in arms over the Mandarin, because, frankly, my comic fandom of Iron Man has mostly been more modern than his big Mandarin scuffles, so I'm not as emotionally invested in the character as others are, I'm sure. I can certainly understand and empathize with their beef, though.

What really let me down was (spoilers):
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the level of automation present in the Iron Army. I mean, if Tony can set Jarvis to that level of autopilot, it completely robs him of heroism, as it puts his physical presence in the suit to the level of trivial and merely egoistic narcissism. The reason I'll defend the party fight in Iron Man 2 till my dying breath is because it perfectly captures Tony's mastery of the suit and puts it front and center -- even falling-down-wasted, he can outfight a trained combatant on roughly equal technological footing in his suit, to the point where he can intentionally lose convincingly without the other guy even realizing it.

For that reason, I do really love the fight where Tony escapes captivity in Iron Man 3 with only one glove and one boot: it highlights his "piloting" skill with a lot of panache and flair. The rest of the movie let me down in that regard, though.

I have no beef with the mark 42's remote piloting capability -- not only is that well established in the comics, but that's still Tony operating the suit rather than giving a simple one-line voice command to Jarvis and having that suffice for the duration of the engagement.

The last scenes of the script demonstrate a conflicted understanding of the character -- the words are spot on, where Tony declares that Iron Man isn't the suit, that he, himself, IS Iron Man. The Iron Army completely undermines that, however, by proving that once he's invented the suit, Tony is completely superfluous to its use.

Other scenes which raise problems in underlining that wrong message include the several times that untrained operatives fight convincingly and/or effectively in various Iron Man tech -- the two times Pepper finds herself in the suit (at the beginning and the end) and the AIM guy in the Iron Patriot suit who manages to fool people into thinking he's Rhodey. Think back to 2 when Rhodey first puts on the suit -- he's clumsy and only crudely effectual for the first half of the party fight -- in fact, that was the entire point of Tony picking that fight in the first place, was to give Rhodey a crash course before Tony completed his self-destruction. But no, AIM guy flies without a hitch, lands with style and confidence, and walks with a smooth gait, all things that Rhodey didn't initially but should be recognized for now. And Pepper pulls off a very accurately aimed combo shot without helmet targetting despite having first fired the repulsor once (twice?) only days before.

I would have been much more comfortable and satisfied had Tony's direction of the Iron Army been, as it has always been presented in the comics, a display of his immense aptitude for multitasking, big picture situational awareness, and command of the suits' impressive data and telemetry aggregation, collation, and presentation. That it was essentially Jarvis fighting, even at an arguably reduced capacity, with 41 of the suits at a time really tainted my impression of the film, no matter how well-intentioned the approach to the character.

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I felt this was the weakest of the Marvel movies since the Avengers initiative was put is motion. It was certainly the weakest of the three Iron Man movies by far, in terms of Iron Man movies. While it might be a better film than the other three for certain artistic, stylistic, or script writing reasons in general, it fails as an Iron Man movie. Kaffis's criticisms cover the bulk of my complaints, but that said ...
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No script that removes Tony's biggest villain from the cards works or gets at the heart of the man in the iron suit. If you remove the Mandarin and turn him into nothing more than an AIM researcher's puppet, you eliminate Tony Stark's foil.

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Khross,

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The movie franchise removed the Mandarin in the first movie. His presence and role in the creation of Iron Man is part of the Marvel Universe. To write him out and replace him with incompetent terrorists was a major mistake, but I figured it as a reboot/retcon. That being the case reintroducing the name later on was another mistake, but it bears little relation or relevance to the Marvel Comic Book Canon at this point. The two Universes resemble each others but are very different in a lot of ways. After all, Nick Fury was nearing a century old Irish warrior/spy guy until the Ultimate Retcon.

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I don't care about the reboot/retell on the origin story; they pretty much lifted it from Matt Fraction's drafts of the Invincible reboot. I do care about gutting the Mandarin as a threat and a foil. Making the Mandarin a non-issue means you have no one to drag Tony Stark kicking and screaming into herodom. You don't have anyone to force him to grow up. As it stands, Tony should still be burying himself at the bottom of a bottle.

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You also liked Green Lantern, so nyah. :P


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FarSky wrote:
You also liked Green Lantern, so nyah. :P
I like Green Lantern as a Green Lantern movie; I disliked the choice of primary villain and some of the handling/script components. It was likely inferior on the level of movie, but certainly a better approach to its source material than this latest Iron Man flick. And, again, removing the Mandarin from the rogues gallery leaves you seriously wanting for future installments.

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I disagree.

Two different canons. They don't have to mesh in any way the new writers do not want them to since they mangled the origin story.

This isn't a review of the history of the original Iron Man, it is an ongoing reboot of everything keeping about as much of the original story as Cubby kept of Fleming's tales.

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I think it would be cool if the Mandarin guy got a hold of one of the rings, maybe from someone in prison and comes back as the actual mandarin


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Spoiler:
Batman without the Joker ...
Superman without Lex Luthor ...
Spider-Man without Jonah Jameson ...
The X-Men without Magneto ...
Iron Man without Mandarin ...

It's one of those things; so much of what Iron Man is and became results from the Mandarin. Gutting that character and stripping him from the universe in any meaningful sense means Tony is NEVER the reason the Avengers have to get together -- that's a problem, too.

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Jhorra: Not sure the Mandarin guy possesses the intellect to compete with Tony.

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This is apropos of nothing except the natural discussion of Marvel Studios, but they just reclaimed the rights to Blade, Daredevil, Punisher, and Ghost Rider. More toys in the box.

http://io9.com/marvels-got-the-blade-pu ... -493113182

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/marvel-dared ... 00272.html


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