The Glade 4.0

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

Well, at least the oligarchy can pull through and tell the peasants how to live.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Actually this is fantastic news for putting the **** issue to rest.

This will go to court, and much like District of Columbia v. Heller, will crystalize the right (or non-right) under the Federal Government's authority for gay marriage. The 14th would then incorporate the right (or non-right) to the states.


Now, we can all disagree about which outcome is "best," but I think we could probably all agree that putting the damn thing behind us would be a positive.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Oh, I don't disagree. Put it before the damn Supreme Court, hopefully in the hands of somebody with the intelligence to question underlying issues behind the legacy laws by which the government observes and privileges marriage at all, and put the issue to rest. Ideally, we'll stop recognizing marriage alltogether, or at least define a specific purpose for which we *should* recognize marriage as a society, and stop discriminating based on marriage, but instead by fulfillment of that purpose.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

We already recognize marriage for the purpose of determining property ownership in the event of divorce or death, and for purposes of determining who has responsibility for and right to care of children.

"Not recognizing marriage" is simply impossible. In the event of dispute over property after a divorce or death, part of determining who is entitled to what is determining if there was a legal marriage.

People need to just get it through their heads that society is going to give a legal definition to marriage. They may like it or not, it may be a good one or a shitty one, but there is no way around having one.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Do wills not exist?

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

It may be tragic but necessary for Christian organizations to stop providing help in D.C.

Do wills apply in the case of divorce? Does sudden death prior to creation of a will never occur?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Really? You'd advocate letting people that are in need suffer because the city council legalized gay marriage?

Really?

Damn.

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Holy shitsnacks!

yeah, heaven forbid we help fags...

Depends. That's why I say "may".

What would it depend on? I mean, I'm don't purport to call myself a christian in any sense of the word, and in fact, I'm kinda a cock to those less fortunate than me... but still, if I were inclined to be of a helpful and generous nature to people, I don't see the point in cutting off an entire city full of people from christian goodness simply because the city council decided that gay marriage was fine and dandy.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Each to their own Arafy... compassion should never be attached to a price... but obviously for some, it MAY...

It depends on what the gov't of D.C. tried to use the law to force me to do. I would not violate my conscience before God. Just to provide an example:

Suppose I were a Dr., and the gov't came to me and told me I had to prescribe an abortion medication to any patients who asked for it, in violation of my conscience. It would be tragic but necessary that I stop practicing medicine and my patients would have to seek medical attention elsewhere.

So, what will D.C. gov't require of Christian organizations because of this new law? That's what it depends on.

While most people prefer a chapel or church to get married in. I do believe there are other options apart from christian ones. So the idea that the government would force the chuch to perform marriages they don't want to is silly.

Not what I said, though it may come to even that. Like I say, it depends. Time is going to tell.

I took it from your abortion comment, considering docs are the only place to get abortion meds, so on and so forth...

Anyways, it won't come to that, and if it did, I'd be right behind you telling them to go annoy someone else.

There are other things that could be insisted on; it's not just marriage. As I recall (though not limited to) there is the issue of insurance for workers and adoption issues. I think the latter is one of the areas the church is saying they may no longer be able to provide. But like I say, again: It depends. I certainly don't speak for the Catholic organizations in D.C.; I simply say that it "may" be tragic but necessary for D.C. to find other organizations.

If it's written properly, yes -- otherwise, fire your lawyer. Does sudden death prior to signature of a marriage license never occur?

If you have stuff that's worth something, and you have somebody that's worth giving it to, you should have a will.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Care to explain more on the adoption issues? Churches currently have a say or provide support in this?

As I understand it, there are Catholic orphanages that provide adoption services, yes. Depending on what D.C. requires of that organization, they "may" have to close.

I don't quite see how the adoption issue pertains to charity in general. Care to explain? Or were you talking only about adoption?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I don't recall that I said charity, but providing adoption services is "help", which is what I said. An article I read on this said that the Roman Catholics may have to stop providing "adoptions and other services".

be...cause Gay Marriage is being legalized?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Ok, so what other services? Do they pertain to adoption?

As for "help", that's pretty much synonymous with charity in this context as far as I can see.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."