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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:13 pm 
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Midgen wrote:
Windows 8 Metro UI is actually excellent in a Tablet or Touchsceen environment.

For me it just fails as a desktop user interface for work and personal computer use where a keyboard and mouse are still the most practical and efficient way to get things done.


This - exactly. Ive been telling people whenever you see a Win8 commercial... ever seen a computer with a mouse/keyboard attached? I havent! Its all touch screens... should be a hint

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
Exactly what Midgen said, and Amanar's analogy to arbitrarily switching native keyboard layout support is a good one to shape the conversation, too.

It goes deeper than that, because the jury is still out on whether Dvorak actually is more efficient than QWERTY in the first place. Much like how, despite Lenas' protests, the keyboard is not definitively more efficient than the mouse.

I use keyboard shortcuts to copy/paste anything from files to text. Sometimes I select text with the mouse, sometimes I select text with arrow keys. Files I always select with a mouse, even though I'm perfectly capable of typing out commands to move files. The visual representation of the directories as file folders is much easier to navigate than trying to type out a path. Moreover, typing file paths requires memorization of the directory structure in a way that the visual representation does not.

I know many people who do not use keyboard shortcuts to copy/paste files or text. They always right-click the mouse to bring up a menu, or select those options from the edit drop-down menu. They do not know the keyboard shortcuts, and the fact that they do not have to know those keyboard shortcuts to accomplish those tasks is its own form of efficiency.

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 Post subject: Re: Downgrading 8 to 7
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It's just hit me that the Win 8 UI looks like the Xbox home screen. I **** hate the Xbox home screen. The big button in the middle of the Xbox home screen should be "play disc." It's not. It's some **** advertisement.

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Well, for Metro, to be fair, what your tiles do, and how big they are, is mostly customizable by the user.


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Crimsonsun wrote:
This - exactly. Ive been telling people whenever you see a Win8 commercial... ever seen a computer with a mouse/keyboard attached? I havent! Its all touch screens... should be a hint

Touchscreens are a necessary evil on tablets and phones, but ultimately, until they invent a screen that cannot get fingerprints on them, all touchscreens suck.

Staples Office Depot now has a special on "Laptops with touchscreens" to take advantage of windows 8.

**** YOU. I don't want anyone touch my laptop screens, not even me.

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Talya wrote:
I don't want anyone touch my laptop screens, not even me.


I concur. I've been known to gently slap peoples hands away from my screen if they get too touchy/feely.

Go put your boogers on your own screen!


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Incidentally, I just downgraded from 8 to 7.

Windows Update ran while I was sleeping, and several hours of hard reboots failed to snap it out of its "configuring your computer" rut, so I had to fix it the hard way. It wasn't the first time I'd had this problem, and some Googling turned up lots of others similarly suffering. I'd been lucky enough in the past to break the lock and get Windows to actually launch, but this time there was no alternative.

So, with 8 not really providing me any clear benefit over 7, and coming to the table with a fatal flaw, I decided my wipe/re-install would stop at getting 7 back up and running.

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I've been much happier with Windows 8 since installing the "Classic Shell" that Taly suggested.

It's almost has too many options. I was able to get a start menu, explorer and shell set up that I was comfortable with, and am much happier now.


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Midgen wrote:
I've been much happier with Windows 8 since installing the "Classic Shell" that Taly suggested.

It's almost has too many options. I was able to get a start menu, explorer and shell set up that I was comfortable with, and am much happier now.


Yep, it's entirely functional. Now they just need to add the "Uninstall Metro" option in the control panel and it'll be a usable business OS.


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Hah, I'm feeling your pain, folks - and I haven't even picked up a Windows 8 machine! My mom's machine died - pretty sure it's the motherboard - and since the machine is five or six years old, we thought, heck just pick up a tower for $250, and we're good.

Oops. Can't get Windows 7 anymore ... and can't find one that cheap online. I played around with 8 at a store, and can see that for my mom, it's gonna be a huge leap. Looking into the downgrade route, but I don't have a product key easily accessible. Lots of media, at least.

OK, just opened up the Classic Shell site - that may be the answer. Mucho thanks.

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