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That search goes back 10 years does it?



The four years this board incarnation has been in existence is statistically significant data. Nice try.


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Nitefox I don't have to convince you of anything about my various proclivities. You want to claim I'm outside the norm? Go for it. If that means 'deviant' to you, knock yourself out. I'll proudly plant my flag that I'm not vanilla.

Publicly Accuse a father, of abusing children, with zero evidence and thats another story entirely.



Nope, one in the same there perv. I'm free to form my opinion about you and you've given me enough ammo to do so.

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That search goes back 10 years does it?



The four years this board incarnation has been in existence is statistically significant data. Nice try.



So you are around me when I'm not talking on the board?

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Jeebus,

So if a proud father watches his young son hit a game winning home run in little league, and proudly exclaims, "That's my boy!" as he's rounding the bases, is he being racist?

Does it matter what color the father and/or the son are when he says it?


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Ayup. When you can't win an argument with facts just resort to taking potshots at the man. Sounds par for the course for you Nitefox. We were talking about the words you use. Instead of just changing the flipping words, you protest to much.


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Jeebus,

So if a proud father watches his young son hit a game winning home run in little league, and proudly exclaims, "That's my boy!" as he's rounding the bases, is he being racist?

Does it matter what color the father and/or the son are when he says it?

Don't be ridiculous. Of course not. Context matters.


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Ayup. When you can't win an argument with facts just resort to taking potshots at the man. Sounds par for the course for you Nitefox.



Watching you call people racists for years on end for no reason other than your warped sense of what something racist is gave me a good training.

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Ok, rerail requested (with apologies for my part in the derail).


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Fact:

TheRiov has made some four posts in this thread after the definition of 'boy' in question was clarified.

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Khross seems to be under the impression delusion that once he states something, the matter is closed.


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Khross seems to be under the impression delusion that once he states something, the matter is closed.
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Dude, do you even read your own posts? If you're going to call Nitefox out about arguing with or without facts, you might at least want to start on solid ground.

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Don't be ridiculous.


I'm not one of those being ridiculous in this thread.


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keep trying Nitefox. maybe someday you'll be able to convince us you're NOT a racist. (Note I'm not leveling that charge at anyone else, this has nothing to do with the president, and everything to do with your own your behavior and the words you chose. You don't even see how bad it is.



Kind of like one day maybe you'll convince us you aren't a sexual deviant?

Like I said to RD, you, he and most leftys/dems just keep proving my point. I've used that phrase on these boards and in real life to refer to folks from all races. Have never had a problem with it. But being the race obessed freak that you are, of course that's all you can see. You're pathetic.



At the risk of severe de-railment; How is TheRiov a sexual deviant? I know I tune in and out so I missed that discussion. Feel free to send it as a message so no one gets banned.

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Uncle Fester wrote:
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keep trying Nitefox. maybe someday you'll be able to convince us you're NOT a racist. (Note I'm not leveling that charge at anyone else, this has nothing to do with the president, and everything to do with your own your behavior and the words you chose. You don't even see how bad it is.



Kind of like one day maybe you'll convince us you aren't a sexual deviant?

Like I said to RD, you, he and most leftys/dems just keep proving my point. I've used that phrase on these boards and in real life to refer to folks from all races. Have never had a problem with it. But being the race obessed freak that you are, of course that's all you can see. You're pathetic.



At the risk of severe de-railment; How is TheRiov a sexual deviant? I know I tune in and out so I missed that discussion. Feel free to send it as a message so no one gets banned.



I'll send you a pm and fill you in. I think TheRiov has already cried to the mods about pointing that out.

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This is an interesting wrinkle that I wasn't aware of:

How Can We Understand Benghazi Without Probing the CIA's Role?
The attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens targeted a CIA operation, not a 'diplomatic post.'

...The compound in Benghazi was not just a "diplomatic post" or a "diplomatic facility." According to a Wall Street Journal article published way back in November 2012, "The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said."

Doesn't that fact need to be acknowledged if the goal is to figure out what happened? I'm not invested in any outcome. If the Obama Administration is proved to have acted badly, I won't be surprised: as someone who thinks that President Obama violated the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution when he unilaterally volunteered American forces for the rebellion against Colonel Gaddafi, it seems to me that he's guilty of scandalous behavior in Libya regardless, and I am always eager for more transparency in the American government's conduct abroad. At the same time, I have no faith in the Republican Party to make good use of its oversight authority, and presume they're more interested in winning the next election than forcing transparency in foreign affairs, which they generally oppose, or improving State Department policy.

Moreover, I don't know what happened in Benghazi.

But knowing that the U.S. facility was a CIA post would seem to help explain certain mysteries. Why wasn't the Obama Administration truthful about what happened? There may have been multiple reasons. Surely one of them was that they wanted to hide the fact that a supposed diplomatic facility was really rife with spies. Why was the compound attacked? It seems likely that the presence of more than 20 CIA agents had something to do with it. Why were bureaucrats at the State Department so insistent on deflecting blame? Perhaps they're just typically averse to seeing their misjudgments revealed. But it also seems plausible that they conceived of Benghazi as a CIA operation, given the fact that it was largely a CIA operation, and felt the CIA bore responsibility for protecting their own assets, a rebuttal State Department officials cannot make publicly so long as we persist with the fiction that Benghazi was just a normal diplomatic facility with foreign service folks, a visiting ambassador, and no overwhelming spy presence.


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The motive for the attack does not need to be concealed to hide the fact that it's a CIA operation. Further, it's been public knowledge the CIA had a massive presence, though perhaps not specific individuals. Lastly, the WH is responsible for both the State Department and the CIA, so it doesn't deflect blame away from the WH. Perhaps, Clinton could come out and say she had only a backseat role, but then she took responsibility for the security of the compound already, so... yeah.


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"Your Boy" would be considered by most to be an thinly veiled ethnic slur.

Only if they have the warped mind you have. White guilt, I get it dude. Keep working on it. Maybe one day you will get over it.

Was "boy" not a pejorative term for black people in common usage in the South for, oh, the last hundred years or so?

In the movie "Half Baked," a black man (Dave Chapelle) used the term "boy" to refer to a white man (The Guy on the Counch) being the friend of his white friend (Brian). Apparently it's not too soon to use it to for other purposes.

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RangerDave wrote:
This is an interesting wrinkle that I wasn't aware of:

How Can We Understand Benghazi Without Probing the CIA's Role?
The attack that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens targeted a CIA operation, not a 'diplomatic post.'

...The compound in Benghazi was not just a "diplomatic post" or a "diplomatic facility." According to a Wall Street Journal article published way back in November 2012, "The U.S. effort in Benghazi was at its heart a CIA operation, according to officials briefed on the intelligence. Of the more than 30 American officials evacuated from Benghazi following the deadly assault, only seven worked for the State Department. Nearly all the rest worked for the CIA, under diplomatic cover, which was a principal purpose of the consulate, these officials said."

Doesn't that fact need to be acknowledged if the goal is to figure out what happened? I'm not invested in any outcome. If the Obama Administration is proved to have acted badly, I won't be surprised: as someone who thinks that President Obama violated the U.S. Constitution and the War Powers Resolution when he unilaterally volunteered American forces for the rebellion against Colonel Gaddafi, it seems to me that he's guilty of scandalous behavior in Libya regardless, and I am always eager for more transparency in the American government's conduct abroad. At the same time, I have no faith in the Republican Party to make good use of its oversight authority, and presume they're more interested in winning the next election than forcing transparency in foreign affairs, which they generally oppose, or improving State Department policy.

Moreover, I don't know what happened in Benghazi.

But knowing that the U.S. facility was a CIA post would seem to help explain certain mysteries. Why wasn't the Obama Administration truthful about what happened? There may have been multiple reasons. Surely one of them was that they wanted to hide the fact that a supposed diplomatic facility was really rife with spies. Why was the compound attacked? It seems likely that the presence of more than 20 CIA agents had something to do with it. Why were bureaucrats at the State Department so insistent on deflecting blame? Perhaps they're just typically averse to seeing their misjudgments revealed. But it also seems plausible that they conceived of Benghazi as a CIA operation, given the fact that it was largely a CIA operation, and felt the CIA bore responsibility for protecting their own assets, a rebuttal State Department officials cannot make publicly so long as we persist with the fiction that Benghazi was just a normal diplomatic facility with foreign service folks, a visiting ambassador, and no overwhelming spy presence.


It's not a wrinkle at all. Diplomatic posts have always had an intelligence mission. Diplomats are, in a sense, legal spies. Diplomatic posts always have intelligence personnel; quite a few of them.

The simple fact is that the Ambassador was there. That makes it an attack on a diplomatic mission, and it makes it a State Department responsibility, and part of that responsibility is to summon the military when they cannot provide adequate defense themselves. Period. This "overwhelming spy presence" crap is a smokescreen for that.

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