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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:11 pm 
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This is the email from my son's school district ... I'm not sure how I feel about it.

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Dear Lake Travis ISD Parents & Community:
On August 26, 2009, Arne Duncan, Secretary of Education under President Barack Obama sent a letter to school principals across the country regarding President Obama's scheduled address to the nation's school children on Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 11:00 a.m. Central Standard Time. In his letter, Secretary Duncan states:
This is the first time an American president has spoken directly to the nation's school children about persisting and succeeding in school. We encourage you to use this historic moment to help your students get focused and begin the school year strong. I encourage you, your teachers, and students to join me in watching the President deliver this address on Tuesday, September 8, 2009. It will be broadcast live via the White House website at http://www.whitehouse.gov at noon Eastern Standard Time.

In advance of this address, we would like to share the following resources: a menu of classroom activities for students in grades preK-6 and for students in grades 7-12. These are ideas developed by and for teachers to help engage students and stimulate discussion on the importance of education in their lives. We are also staging a student video contest on education. Details of the video contest will be available on our website at http://www.ed.gov in the coming weeks.
Over the past few days, the District has received several inquiries from parents and community members regarding whether the District intends to broadcast the Presidential address to students, including using the requisite lesson plan provided by the Secretary of Education. As a result of these inquiries, and in anticipation of more to come, we would like to communicate the following to parents and community members.

Lake Travis ISD has no plans to suggest, encourage or require teachers to revise the lesson plans they have in place for classrooms during the school week of September 7th. Thus, it will be "business as usual" in all classrooms across the District. Accordingly, there are classrooms whose course description and content are appropriately situated for integration of the President's speech and associated lesson plan into the classroom instruction. For example, it seems reasonable to conclude that social studies and government courses are particularly suited to consideration of the Presidential addresses into their lessons. The District has reviewed the requisite lesson plan materials provided by the Secretary of Education. The lesson plans appear to be rooted in the context of asking students to consider the importance of doing well in school, and the importance of education. These materials can be accessed at: http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/prek-6.pdf
(PreK-6), and http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/lessons/7-12.pdf(7- 12)
Perhaps most importantly, the District believes that parents should be encouraged to go to the White House website, http://www.whitehouse.gov, watch the President's address, review the lesson plan provided by the Secretary of Education, and make their own decisions regarding home viewing and discussion of the lesson plan content with their school-aged children.
If parents have specific questions regarding whether their child's teacher intends to access the Presidential address in their classroom on Tuesday, September 8th, or what the nature of the lesson will be on that day, they are asked to contact their child's teacher or the principal at their school.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:41 pm 
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I think I'd write a cordial response along the lines of:

"My student will not be in attendance on September 8th. Instead, I will be homeschooling them on the Constitution of the United States. I will teaching my student about how the President has to swear to uphold and protect the Constitution before he gets to become the President. I will be teaching my student what the Constitution does: lists the powers of the government and serves as the 'foundation' for our country.

"Then, I will teach my student about how the Constitution doesn't tell the President that he can try to make schools do what he wants. I'll teach my student about how schools are supposed to be run from people nearby, not from Washington, D.C. Finally, I'll teach my student that since his school was too incompetent to teach this or anything else to them, they had to ask the President to break his oath to uphold the Constitution and broadcast into their classroom."


Sure, it'd be over the head of your average gradeschooler, but the principal would get what it is: a slap in the face to the school. Just like the speech is.

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I will be sending a nasty gram to my kids schools AND keeping them home that day.

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Perhaps most importantly, the District believes that parents should be encouraged to go to the White House website, http://www.whitehouse.gov, watch the President's address, review the lesson plan provided by the Secretary of Education, and make their own decisions regarding home viewing and discussion of the lesson plan content with their school-aged children.

Watch it. Make the decision for yourself.

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<---- not a parent.

My opinion: Just like any education, you should review it and determine if it is appropriate for your child to learn at the stage of life they are in.

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Why is it bad, that the President wishes to reinforce the importance of school and learning?


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Lenas wrote:
Why is it bad, that the President wishes to reinforce the importance of school and learning?


It isn't "bad." It's just unprecedented, unwarranted, unnecessary, and unConstitutional.

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Lenas wrote:
Why is it bad, that the President wishes to reinforce the importance of school and learning?


It was a move no one appreciated when Bush Sr. I do not appreciate it when this president is doing it. I did see on my school district web site that we CAN have our children opt out though. So I will be going with that option. And that is district wide that is allowing opt out.

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It isn't "bad." It's just unprecedented, unwarranted, unnecessary, and unConstitutional.


Yep. The Hellfire Club hasn't lost any of it's crazy.

If it's unprecedented, you should tell that to George Bush SR and his heir, GW Bush. They both made such speeches to schools, and in *their* speeches, they actually pushed their political agenda.

Here's the text of Obama's speech.

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Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
Back to School Event

Arlington, Virginia
September 8, 2009

The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.

I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.

Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.

Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.

I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.

Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.

Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.

So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.

Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.

And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.

Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.

But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.

No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.

Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.

The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.



Now, maybe that last line is an unconstitutional breach of the separation of church and state, but the rest of this seems like a pretty strong stance on personal responsibility.

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I'm curious, is the above the first ad hom of the new board?

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I'm gonna have to admit that seems fairly tame at least to read it.

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Personally, I'd like my kids to learn personal responsibility from their parents, not the government.

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Hannibal wrote:
I'm curious, is the above the first ad hom of the new board?


Yes. And look who wrote it.

The guy who, about 20 days ago or so (I ****' called that ****) said he wasn't posting in this area of the board anymore.

Additionally, it's the guy who is "ignoring" me so that he can "take the high road." Apparently, the "high road" involves unprovoked argumentum ad hominem based upon inaccurate information. Fun times....

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It isn't "bad." It's just unprecedented, unwarranted, unnecessary, and unConstitutional.




If it's unprecedented, you should tell that to George Bush SR and his heir, GW Bush. They both made such speeches to schools, and in *their* speeches, they actually pushed their political agenda.


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"Speeches to Schools" is not the same as a "co-ordinated speech to all public schools in the country at the same time on the same date." This is therefore an example of the False Analogy logical fallacy.

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I think he has better things to do with his time than this. The handling of the schools should be done by each state's DoE. They already generally don't cover enough material or at a level of rigor to produce the results the states are typically striving for.

They need every bit of time they can get with the students as it is.

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If it's unprecedented, you should tell that to George Bush SR and his heir, GW Bush. They both made such speeches to schools, and in *their* speeches, they actually pushed their political agenda.


My parents were not pleased about the Sr Bush. Nor was I. I was not pleased with his heir doing it either. Not a politicians job to stick his voice into the schools. Unless we land someone on the moon, or an Elvis-like celebrity is killed.

Parental Responsibility > some douche-nozzle in Washington DC saying anything to my kids.

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I have no problem with the President attempting to motivate children to do well in school, and would much rather see positive reinforcement for success rather than the typical role models now used (sports, actors, etc).

What bothers me the most was the "extra" curricular activities that his administration released and pushed on schools to coincide, and support, his political agenda. Fortunately, at least some of it was rescinded after the expected uproar. However, if my kindergarten age son comes home with some of the "suggested" work, he won't be doing that assignment, but something else instead.

That said, in reading his speech, its unfortunate he chose to so completely politicize the message when it could have just been about encouraging children to do their best in schools.

Equally unfortunate, given he is giving this message in an educational environment, is the grammar of the speech.


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You certainly call it an ad-hom, but seriously, the furor over this speech is nothing short of crazy. Before anyone had any text of the speech on hand, knew what was going to be in it, or really had *any* evidence to back up their soon to be demonstrated-as-insane claims about indoctrination, they began prosecuting a fear campaign about the speech.

It's a good speech, something conservatives, liberals, and everything in between and around them can get behind. Stay in school. Work hard. These are good, solid values.

But because Obama was going to deliver it, every lunatic on the radio was howling about socialist indoctrination, marxism, and any other big scary word they could find. Before they ever knew what was in it, they just up and lied about what was in it, and now, they are trying to say that it was somehow severely changed as a result (a claim entirely without any proof, and a claim of course that cannot be disputed).

Does the president have some sort of magical ability to turn your children into little liberal Marxist secret islamofascist sleeper agents through the power of the tee vee? Seriously? because that's the kind of fear mongering that people are using about this speech.

Sure, keep your kids at home. Insulate them from a black, liberal democrat making good points about personal responsibility. Can't have that sort of thing messing with the frame. Make sure they never hear anything come out of that man's mouth that might lead them to believe something other than what Rush Limbaugh spews at them in the morning on the way to school.

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What bothers me the most was the "extra" curricular activities that his administration released and pushed on schools to coincide, and support, his political agenda. Fortunately, at least some of it was rescinded after the expected uproar. However, if my kindergarten age son comes home with some of the "suggested" work, he won't be doing that assignment, but something else instead.


You're aware that a lot of that stuff came from the local school districts, and not the Obamae DOE, right? That he had no control over that, that some of it was silly, but some of it was also pretty cool. "Write a letter to the president" is something that school students have been doing for a very long time.

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That said, in reading his speech, its unfortunate he chose to so completely politicize the message when it could have just been about encouraging children to do their best in schools.


Obama didn't politicize this, the right did. They saw that he was speaking to school children, and then the right wing nutters on the radio went ballistic about indoctrination, and it trickled down to the base and then up to actual supposedly-serious congresspersons and RNC members.

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Monte wrote:
You certainly call it an ad-hom, but seriously, the furor over this speech is nothing short of crazy. Before anyone had any text of the speech on hand, knew what was going to be in it, or really had *any* evidence to back up their soon to be demonstrated-as-insane claims about indoctrination, they began prosecuting a fear campaign about the speech.

Incorrect. Most, if not all, of the protest regarding the speech was the "supplemental and suggested" work assignments for all grades of school put forth by the administration to support the speech, and it was rightfully pulled release prior to the speech.

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Insulate them from a black, liberal democrat making good points about personal responsibility. Can't have that sort of thing messing with the frame. Make sure they never hear anything come out of that man's mouth that might lead them to believe something other than what Rush Limbaugh spews at them in the morning on the way to school.

20 posts in and you need to banned. Does this board have an ignore feature?

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That speech doesn't sound anything like the audio of the video they played on the radio the other day...apparently some video that was to go along with the address?

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Monte wrote:
You're aware that a lot of that stuff came from the local school districts, and not the Obamae DOE, right? That he had no control over that, that some of it was silly, but some of it was also pretty cool. "Write a letter to the president" is something that school students have been doing for a very long time.

You fail again. US DoE website with downloadable lesson plans to coincide with the speech, and a clear description of who came up with these supplemental plans. Of course, they got altered after the protest of the material.

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Obama didn't politicize this, the right did. They saw that he was speaking to school children, and then the right wing nutters on the radio went ballistic about indoctrination, and it trickled down to the base and then up to actual supposedly-serious congresspersons and RNC members.

Except my comment is based purely on actually reading the speech and understanding the allusions placed, the content and the references. Congratulations on your blind faith, may it serve you well.


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You certainly call it an ad-hom, but seriously, the furor over this speech is nothing short of crazy. Before anyone had any text of the speech on hand, knew what was going to be in it, or really had *any* evidence to back up their soon to be demonstrated-as-insane claims about indoctrination, they began prosecuting a fear campaign about the speech.

It's a good speech, something conservatives, liberals, and everything in between and around them can get behind. Stay in school. Work hard. These are good, solid values.

But because Obama was going to deliver it, every lunatic on the radio was howling about socialist indoctrination, marxism, and any other big scary word they could find. Before they ever knew what was in it, they just up and lied about what was in it, and now, they are trying to say that it was somehow severely changed as a result (a claim entirely without any proof, and a claim of course that cannot be disputed).

Does the president have some sort of magical ability to turn your children into little liberal Marxist secret islamofascist sleeper agents through the power of the tee vee? Seriously? because that's the kind of fear mongering that people are using about this speech.

Sure, keep your kids at home. Insulate them from a black, liberal democrat making good points about personal responsibility. Can't have that sort of thing messing with the frame. Make sure they never hear anything come out of that man's mouth that might lead them to believe something other than what Rush Limbaugh spews at them in the morning on the way to school.



Well, good to see some things don't change. Good luck Monty.

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20 posts in and you need to banned. Does this board have an ignore feature?


I'm sorry, what? I need to be banned because I'm pointing out the truth here? Because the post I commented on was laughably crazy, and filled with paranoia. This is why I took a little time off. Crazy = rational, and rational=bannable.

Yes, the reaction from the right wing nutjobs is at least in part based on the fact that obama is black, and they have a very difficult time with that. They don't like that a black man is killing their racist frame about black people. I'm talking about Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and the like (and those that regularly listen to them and find them to be Serious People).

Edit - let me be more clear. Just when I think the right can't get any more paranoid, delusional, or insane, something happens that breaks the mold. Listening to the crap that drove this panic attack on the right about indoctrination was an eye opening experience for me. And seeing it here was unsurprising, but still kind of sad.

I'm sorry if people find that to be mean. But the reaction to this was delusional, paranoid, and insane. There is no other rational way to describe it. It's the same delusional, paranoid insanity that drove the Birther movement. It's the same delusional, paranoid insanity that drove the Deather crap in regards to health care reform. It's the same delusional, paranoid insanity that led people to believe the President was palling around with terrorists. It's the same delusional, paranoid insanity that led people to believe he was secretly a Muslim. It's the same delusional, paranoid insanity that led people to believe Michelle Obama was some sort of secret racist black militant.

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Monte wrote:
It's a good speech, something conservatives, liberals, and everything in between and around them can get behind. Stay in school. Work hard. These are good, solid values.

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Obama didn't politicize this, the right did.

Obama wrote:
I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Here's the first overt politicization in the speech. Obama is creating separation between himself and other American residents of a foreign nation. Curiously enough, he's othering himself in an attempt to appeal to the economically and socially marginalized in our own country. It's a poorly chosen example, however, as he's casting himself outside the boundaries of being American.
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I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.
Here's the second overtly politicized statement of the speech. The government has no responsibility for setting the standards for education. It has no mandate, duty, or other obligation to provide one. It certainly is not empowered to administrate the educational systems in place in the United States. The Tenth Amendment covers these issues: that power belongs to the States and People.
Obama wrote:
You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.
And here is the collectivist doublespeak that causes so many people to chafe.

So, yes, this is a political speech. Yes, it does step beyond the bounds of what is appropriate and allowable given the venue. If he wanted to encourage individual responsibility and educational merit, there was no need, indeed no value, in framing that responsibility within the context of some duty to the country.

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LadyKate wrote:
That speech doesn't sound anything like the audio of the video they played on the radio the other day...apparently some video that was to go along with the address?



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL9sOZUf1NQ


Very sneaky video. The majority of it, I can get behind. Then they sprinkle it with these government or liberal policies that I don't agree with.

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