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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:22 pm 
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Successful troll is successful. You going to run around in circles trying to jump kick someone while they keep side stepping? They wont even have to attack, you fall on your own and have no interest in changing technique.


People are idiots, and also I could alter my direction at the end. I'll have to practice this somehow.


No you can't. You're an engineer and you don't understand Conservation of Momentum?

Yes, you could use this in a fight - if your end goal was to receive the ass-kicking you so desperately need.

I can only imagine you're intentionally trolling, but either way, this is truly entertaining. TR gave you good advice and all you want to do is argue like you actually have a clue.

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But I can do it again and again.


Yeah, against a stationary target dummy. In a real fight, you'd be exhausted after 30 seconds. Your opponent also won't let you, after you whiff the first one, he's going to jump on you and start slamming your face into the concrete

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 Post subject: Re: Flying kicks
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 2:43 pm 
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But I can do it again and again.


Yeah, against a stationary target dummy. In a real fight, you'd be exhausted after 30 seconds. Your opponent also won't let you, after you whiff the first one, he's going to jump on you and start slamming your face into the concrete


This. You whiff, fall, and get the snot kicked out of you.

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 Post subject: Re: Flying kicks
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:41 pm 
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Diamondeye wrote:
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Successful troll is successful. You going to run around in circles trying to jump kick someone while they keep side stepping? They wont even have to attack, you fall on your own and have no interest in changing technique.


People are idiots, and also I could alter my direction at the end. I'll have to practice this somehow.


No you can't. You're an engineer and you don't understand Conservation of Momentum?

Yes, you could use this in a fight - if your end goal was to receive the ass-kicking you so desperately need.

I can only imagine you're intentionally trolling, but either way, this is truly entertaining. TR gave you good advice and all you want to do is argue like you actually have a clue.

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But I can do it again and again.


Yeah, against a stationary target dummy. In a real fight, you'd be exhausted after 30 seconds. Your opponent also won't let you, after you whiff the first one, he's going to jump on you and start slamming your face into the concrete






I think you have some good opinions, but I think I could still make the flying kick effective without conservation of momentum. In this video I'm trying some experimental techniques to show conservation of momentum is unnecessary to do damage. As you can see, I'm not running straight at the target.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 3:58 pm 
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You are extremely dedicated at trolling. Well done.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying kicks
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:13 pm 
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This is another video to try to disprove "conservation of momentum" hypotheses. Even if I don't run straight at the target, I can still kick to the side.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:40 pm 
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Yes, but once your feet leave the floor, your vector is still along the original path. You're also striking without your weight behind the kick so you're putting a fraction of the force into it that you would if you were doing it properly.

This reminds me of this:

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I challenge you to find knockouts by flying side kick on video from a real fight or karate, tkd or mma match. (Movies and tv shows don't count) Given the volume of knockout videos on YouTube this should be child's play if they exist at all.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:51 pm 
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Better than finding a video, go get in a fight. Please.

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Now you're not even doing a flying side kick, that's a flying roundhouse... and you're not even close.


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 Post subject: Re: Flying kicks
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:25 pm 
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You wanna catch that dummy off guard, TrolLex? Try one of these:

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Spinning hook kicks are ok but like any spinning technique they leave you open. Because hook kicks are medium range kicks, (compared with a longer range back pivot (basically a spinning side kick) they are more of a gamble. They're also lower power than a back pivot.

Like nearly any technique it has its place. But it's harder to execute effectivly.


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TheRiov wrote:
Spinning hook kicks are ok but like any spinning technique they leave you open.


Meh, no more so than running and jumping at your opponent does. Lex would look cooler doing a spinning heel kick anyway.

***** love spinning heel kicks.


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***** love spinning heel kicks.


Yup.

However, the fact that most MMA fights are decided with ugly boring grappling makes the sport unappealing.
Videos like yours merely showcase how cool it COULD be, if Jackie Chan's acrobatics were legitimately useful in a fight. Real fighting is just two sweaty people rolling around on the ground.

Now that I say it like that, I wonder why I don't like it?


Anyway, if you want to see another neat kick (not exactly a flying kick, but this one is more "matrixy") used well in a fight...


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How cool they COULD be if they were used legitimately in a real fight? They're right there, being used in real rights. The gif I posted is a kick from the #1 contender middleweight in the world and the video you embedded is a fight between two of the best lightweights in the world. The kicks work in real fights, they work well, but it takes a lot of skill to use them properly.

Using statistics from 2012, it seems like under half of the fights in the UFC go to decision. Many of those have no grappling at all, lots of guys stand and strike for 15 minutes.

Of the fights that do get stopped, over half are in the first round.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:14 pm 
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Lenas wrote:
How cool they COULD be if they were used legitimately in a real fight? They're right there, being used in real rights.

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Videos like yours merely showcase how cool it COULD be, if Jackie Chan's acrobatics were legitimately useful in a fight.


Your video is neat. (I think the one I posted is, too.) But it barely scratches the surface of martial arts movie action. The kicks in those videos are about as fancy a move as you ever see pulled off in a real fight, and that's damned rare. But they ain't Bruce Lee, Michelle Yeoh, or Jackie Chan. That's because real fighting doesn't look nearly as cool as the fake stuff. :(

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Really? I love seeing a good grappling submission. There are some really gorgeous technical submissions. But it's true I didn't appreciate them until I studied bjj myself


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Definitely trolling, but just for s 'n' g ...

You want a cool-looking kick that involves falling to the ground? Go for this:


Want a powerful leg-based attack that can quickly end a fight? Go for this:


Talya wrote:
However, the fact that most MMA fights are decided with ugly boring grappling makes the sport unappealing.

It's ugly, all right - pretty sure I'd surrender before she even touched me in order to avoid the kind of pain she delivers.
Hell, I can't even watch it without cringing.

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My tip is have the TKD guy be your target and have him react how he normally would if he saw someone coming at him with a flying side kick.

That should be "educational" for you.

Make sure you ask him to laugh maniacally and stroke his fu manchu beard as your writhe on the ground in pain. That's how all the cool martial artist got awesome.

Repeat until you are Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan/Chuck Norris/etc.


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Lex if your goal is to hit someone and have them take a few steps back - you're right on track.

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My tip is have the TKD guy be your target and have him react how he normally would if he saw someone coming at him with a flying side kick.

That should be "educational" for you.

Make sure you ask him to laugh maniacally and stroke his fu manchu beard as your writhe on the ground in pain. That's how all the cool martial artist got awesome.

Repeat until you are Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan/Chuck Norris/etc.


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:psyduck: Seriously, I don't get *this*. You're a smart dude, from what we've been led to believe about you. Why are you so intent on discounting actual life experience?

Why the need to tell TheRiov "You're a loser for practicing and learning the basic moves" and "Look at me, I don't need basic moves. I can do a FLYING KICK!"

If the need to continue such antics still compels you, I'd like to see videos of you practicing one or more of the following:

Rising Dragon punch
Hadoken
Hurricane Kick

All with associated sound effects, please.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 1:36 pm 
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Lex is learning to do a specific acrobatic maneuver for his own edification. And while some people have attempted to 'assist' in good faith, the person being trolled here is Lex. Here are the list of things I've learned in life because I thought they were 'cool':

1. How to fly an airplane
2. How to ride a bicycle
3. How to drive a car
4. How to skydive
5. How to SCUBA drive
6. How to build an electric guitar from Warmoth parts
7. How to relacquer a violin
8. How to tie a fishing fly

What about the rest of you? What did you learn to do just because you thought it was cool? Instead of being so god damned hostile to Lex, maybe you guys should remember what it was like to be 24, starting your career, and not possessed of 40 years of life experience. If Interrealms was still around, I'd give you quoted reminders.

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Thanks Khross, that's basically what I'm trying to do. It's just fun.


I'm not interested in mastering martial arts. I expect to be on camera all the time one day, because of the growing surveillance nation, so I want to at least look cool.

And flying kicks are good exercise, the pain of falling keeps me in reality, builds some confidence, etc.


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Khross, what you fail to understand is that no one is attempting to teach him anything like 'martial arts'

I gave him specific instructions on how to learn the body movements necessary. I'm not telling him how to throw a punch, throw an axe kick, put someone in an omaplata or gogoplata...

He asked for a help with a SINGLE technique. To throw that single technique you first master the body movement, then add the twist of a jump.

Beyond that, NONE of us brought up using it in a fight until Lex did at which point you're back to 'learning martial arts'


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Lex, I believe you can fly. Soar like the flailing eagle god meant you to be my man.

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Khross wrote:
Instead of being so god damned hostile to Lex, maybe you guys should remember what it was like to be 24, starting your career, and not possessed of 40 years of life experience.


Oh come on, I'm only 26!

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• How to 360 flip down a set of stairs
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