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That is funny. And she happens to play one of the few characters I give two shits about.

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Arya is probably my fav.

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Yea... I'd be ok with it if the final line in the entire series is...

And Arya killed them all.

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I think maybe TV show viewers understand now how it is in the books. It's not caught up to the books, but this is the theme. There is no happy ending in GoT. Nothing ever ends well. There's almost no pay off ever where the hero triumphs.

I had the red wedding spoilered for me pretty early on. When I found out, I was ready to break from the story completely. I had to ask a few folks if there was really any protagonist that doesn't get whacked to make it worth continuing to read. A couple have assure me that's the case. I'm nearing the end of book 2 at the moment.

My attitude is this: My free time, up until last month, has been very little. I have a short break for a while, but I'll be grinding through other things very soon and my free time will drop again. I want entertainment to be entertaining and not depressing. When I lose sleep like I did last night, I don't like it. Some can consider it a testimony to how good the books/shows are and I'd agree to some extent. This, however, isn't the kind of "good" I want. If there's never a payoff, I'd rather stop wasting my time. There are other things I have queued up that I know won't give this kind of disappointment.

Am I wasting my time?

Who knows. I think Book 3 is where I got the most fed up. He makes it so it's hard to care, because at that point, you think things might look up or someone might have a turn of good luck, then it falls apart. You have to have some glimmers of light for the audience to keep some interest. Too dark. Too often. There should be one episode this season all the people upset with the red wedding should stick around to see, I don't want to spoil it though.

I gave up for a while at book 4, but picked up 5 a month or so ago. IMO, the TV show is the best representation of the work. He writes too much. 1000 pages is too much for a novel and there's plenty of things he could trim down and still maintain the same story. I skipped a lot of Greyjoys chapters and Craven-guy and Bran. That **** was boring as sin and nothing really happens (that moves the main plot(s) forward) in those parts of the book, but it doesn't seem as bad in the TV show.

Still, he made a consistent world that feels like it's inhabited by real people. There are a lot of likeable characters (or like to hate), so I'll probably pick up the new books. I think reading books 1-4 right after one another made it worse. 4000+ pages of Grim Darkness later I wanted to quit. :P

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This made me laugh...

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If there's never a payoff, I'd rather stop wasting my time. There are other things I have queued up that I know won't give this kind of disappointment.

Am I wasting my time?

No specific spoilers in my comment below, but it's a general comment regarding the tone and direction of Book 3, so /spoilered for those who want to avoid any sense of what's to come:
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My girlfriend has been arguing that they shouldn't have ended the season with the Red Wedding precisely because it's such a downer, and viewers who haven't read the books won't know that there are some much more satisfying, positive developments that occur later in Book 3 and will thus be part of next season. With that in mind, I'd recommend sticking around for at least one more season before deciding whether to keep going down the road.


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The season isn't over RD, there's still plenty to show in the last episode.

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Funny, Bran's chapters are quickly becoming my favorites in ADWD.

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I like how when he's naming the officers to stick around, one of them is Varys (probably the bald guy). Awesome.

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No specific spoilers in my comment below, but it's a general comment regarding the tone and direction of Book 3, so /spoilered for those who want to avoid any sense of what's to come:
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My girlfriend has been arguing that they shouldn't have ended the season with the Red Wedding precisely because it's such a downer, and viewers who haven't read the books won't know that there are some much more satisfying, positive developments that occur later in Book 3 and will thus be part of next season. With that in mind, I'd recommend sticking around for at least one more season before deciding whether to keep going down the road.

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Funny, Bran's chapters are quickly becoming my favorites in ADWD.

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Bran is a tree. Besides, he's not doing anything. Traipsing around the forest, right?

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I'm not through the whole book yet so I guess I don't want to make too concrete of a statement, but I definitely enjoy reading his chapters. They seem to come across as the most detailed.

True story, there was a girl sitting in the booth next to me during my lunch break today that was in tears talking about the RW to her friend. In hindsight I should have walked up to her and said, "valar morghulis, sweet summer child."


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That's how you know its good TV. When people are so invested in it that something like the RW cripples them emotionally for days afterwards.

Well done GoT. Well done. /slowclap.

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Aegnor wrote:
Kaffis, I think that theory was dead anyway. I remember reading a quote from GRRM that it was simply a mistake. The thing that is lost (which is too bad) is

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that Tywin was behind the Jeyne thing from the beginning, through her family and without her knowledge.

Well, I figured I've been harping on that for a year, on and off, so no sense bringing it up again.

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Lenas wrote:
I'm not through the whole book yet so I guess I don't want to make too concrete of a statement, but I definitely enjoy reading his chapters. They seem to come across as the most detailed.

True story, there was a girl sitting in the booth next to me during my lunch break today that was in tears talking about the RW to her friend. In hindsight I should have walked up to her and said, "valar morghulis, sweet summer child."

And gotten arrested! :D

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The smile is perfectly in line with the caption.


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Probably early enough, still, to spoiler that ****, Nitefox. It's hilarious, though.

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This is a bit hilarious.



Kaffis, it is assumed that anyone reading this thread has already seen the episode. I don't see any book spoilers in that.


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So, because of your YouTube clip, I searched for the real Red Wedding sequence on YouTube ...

I am so glad I do not watch this series. I'll wait for Martin to not finish the books before I get involved in the adaptation.

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Khross wrote:
I am so glad I do not watch this series. I'll wait for Martin to not finish the books before I get involved in the adaptation.


You don't watch the series but you've participated in every season thread? Get outta here!


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Lenas:

Blame Kaffis ... he implored me to read the books; I'm now torn on how to handle them in a long academic endeavor. That said, holy fail, Batman. That's really all I have to say about the quality of the Red Wedding sequence.

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I am more than happy with the sequence, books still being fresh in my mind. What are you not happy with?

My only gripe: I had always imagined that Roose stabbed Robb through the back with a much longer sword.


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Lenas wrote:
I am more than happy with the sequence, books still being fresh in my mind. What are you not happy with?
The bad acting? The horrible script conversion? The complete lack of tension or immediacy in the sequence? Catelyn's scream that makes the FrankenVader No seem brilliant by comparison? The fact that Frey stood the **** up? Oh, and finally ...
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The Greatjon didn't cut down 8 Freys. The Starks took it all sitting down, and Catelyn killed a useless bastard daughter without a known name instead of Aegon Frey, the half-wit and beloved grandson of Frey.

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Acting was great outside of Talisa's face, the scene was incredibly tense, Cat's scream was haunting, who cares that Frey stood up. Starks not putting up a real fight is a fair critique.

Edit - I'm not surprised that watching a 5 minute YouTube clip didn't fill you with the same amount of tension as 50 minutes of show preceding it may have.


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