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So, uh, apparently this is a thing. Microsoft is trying to incentivize gamers to preorder by offering a "special" "Day One" edition, which is just the same as the regular edition, except there's a sooper-sekrit achievement and the controller has "Day One 2013" written on it. There are also "Day One" editions of four games, Forza Motorsport 5, Ryse: Son of Rome, Kinect Sports Rivals, and Dead Rising 3, that offer exclusive bits.

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Yeah? I am confused by your outrage. They also have an Xbox 360 FFXIII edition; Several Halo Editions and CoD editions...

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Yeah? I am confused by your outrage. They also have an Xbox 360 FFXIII edition; Several Halo Editions and CoD editions...

Exactly what part of my post shows "outrage" (or even displeasure)? I think just tossing "Day One 2013" on the controller is kinda silly, but outside of that, my post was simply more informative than anything else.


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Exactly what part of my post shows "outrage" (or even displeasure)? I


I think it's just that we've come to expect it...


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Expect what, exactly? Where have I been outraged anywhere in this thread? The worst I've said about the Xbox One is that I find its name goofy and that it hasn't wowed me. I made an informational post for the people who are excited about it and I got jumped on.

I'm not on the HOLY **** SONY SUCKS AND EATS BABIES AND THEN POOPS BABIES OUT OF ITS BUTTHOLE XBOX 4EVARRR bandwagon as 90% of this board seems to be, but please, reading comprehension. I'm not lambasting or denigrating the Xbox One; rather, I'm simply being unmoved by it.

Now I want to dust off that old Khross quote and modify it to "the definition of "Microsoft hater" has been expanded to include insufficient enthusiasm for the Xbox One."


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I think your snarky "sooper sekrit" comment might be the tipoff. Also your comment about incentives, when this is the only version that's been available for preorder, its not a response to the market.

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Now back to the thread:

While not outraged, this move does make me laugh. Seriously? An achievement for purchasing a launch console? People used to want consoles launch day because they were excited for the console.

Also, I can still pre-order the xbox one launch console as of this posting on Amazon. PS4 is unavailable.

Personally, I'm going to supress my inner consumer and wait the initial launch garbage out.


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So, in point of fact, yesterday I preordered an Xbox One (Day One Edition HOORAH I AM SPECIAL). I may or may not cancel it prior to release; depends on finances and the lure of new gadgets.

I also just purchased one of the newly-announced Xbox 360 redesigns, since I currently have an Elite model, and it's loud as hell and distracting since I dusted it off and installed it in the theatre a couple of weeks ago.

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Visually, I like this 360 redesign a bit better than the Xbone (which I actually like more than the PlayStation Rhombus). I didn't want the monstrous, glossy bowtie (the 360 S, I think?) version, and this one is supposed to be quieter.

Blerg. Also had to hop over to Monoprice to buy an HDMI switcher. Only two inputs on the soundbar.


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FarSky wrote:
So, in point of fact, yesterday I preordered an Xbox One (Day One Edition HOORAH I AM SPECIAL). I may or may not cancel it prior to release; depends on finances and the lure of new gadgets.

I also just purchased one of the newly-announced Xbox 360 redesigns, since I currently have an Elite model, and it's loud as hell and distracting since I dusted it off and installed it in the theatre a couple of weeks ago.

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Visually, I like this 360 redesign a bit better than the Xbone (which I actually like more than the PlayStation Rhombus). I didn't want the monstrous, glossy bowtie (the 360 S, I think?) version, and this one is supposed to be quieter.

Blerg. Also had to hop over to Monoprice to buy an HDMI switcher. Only two inputs on the soundbar.


OMG YOU ARE GOING TO GET THE DAY ONE ACHIEVEMENT! /jealous :)

Honestly, I'm waiting because since they're all moving to an X86 foundation, it will be easier than it ever has been to release a PC version. I'm sure I will get a console during this gen, so far the PC hasn't been able to fill that "veg out on the couch with a controller" void, but they're definitely moving towards convergence.


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Um, ouch. Displeasure heard.

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New Xbox 'a sin against all service members'

Navy Lt. Scott Metcalf was eagerly awaiting the arrival of the new Xbox One. Now he’s not even sure if he’ll buy one.

Indeed, for many in the military, the next-gen Xbox console may offer more endemic frustration than grand epic gaming, particularly for those deployed downrange, aboard ships and stationed overseas.

Xbox One, Microsoft’s much-anticipated new console, got its big reveal at the Electronic Entertainment Expo gamers’ convention in Los Angeles. Company honchos are confident it will come to dominate living rooms over the next decade not only as the gaming delivery vehicle of choice, but also with a barrage of other content, including a suite of apps, streaming video and music.

There’s one big but, however: To get all this entertainment awesomeness, the console will have to check in online with the Microsoft mothership at least once a day.

“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection,” an Xbox spokesperson tell Military Times.

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Metcalf called that a “showstopper” for any service members who rely on their Xbox for off-duty diversions downrage, in the field, or at sea.

Which is to say, just about everyone.

And it gets worse for on-the-go troops. The Xbox One:

■ Can play only in Xbox One-friendly countries. Even if you’re lucky enough to have a regular, reliable Internet connection while overseas, you’ll have to be in one of 21 countries included in Microsoft’s server network. So, if you’re stationed in, say, Germany, Italy or Great Briatin, you’re good to go. But if you’re based in Japan, Kuwait or Afghanistan, you’re out of luck.

■ Will have region-locked games. Games bought in the U.S. can be activated only in the U.S. That means no more ripping open the latest title that just arrived in a care package from home while you’re deployed. And forget about buying games locally when overseas — if your Xbox Live account isn’t tied to the region when you activate a game, it won’t play.

■ Serious security concerns. Even when the Xbox One is in sleep mode, its built-in microphone can always listen in. It’s a feature developers say will provide quick voice-command access to games and apps — but that could spook commanders who might worry the always-connected device could also capture more than just idle chit-chat among troops.

“Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military. And not just the U.S. military — the militaries of the entire world,” says naval aviator Jay Johnson.

The Internet connection requirement is “the single greatest sin Microsoft has committed against all service members,” he writes in a post on the game developers’ site Gamasutra.

With tours aboard three Nimitz aircraft carriers, Johnson says he’s spent more than half of the past three years deployed or training at sea. He describes gaming in general and his Xbox in particular as “my sanctuary. It is where I went to calm down after a long day of flying.”

But that won’t true with the Xbox One, he says.

“No longer will the sounds of Master Chief saving the human race echo through the hallowed halls of the USS Abraham Lincoln, or any other USS ship, when we have a few hours respite. No longer will you see Marcus and Dom sawing through the Locust Horde at the bases in Afghanistan after the Marines have returned from patrol and want to escape their reality for a bit. Those days are now firmly behind us.”

Microsoft: Sucks to be you
Not to fear, says Xbox exec Don Mattrick, president of the Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment division. The company has a solution for those in the military: Just use the old Xbox 360 instead.

“Fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity, it’s called Xbox 360. If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device,” Mattrick told Game Trailer at E3 in an interview posted online.

He says he feels your pain, though.

“When I read the blogs and thought about who’s really the most impacted, there was a person who said, “Hey, I’m on a nuclear sub.’ I don’t even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I’ve got to imagine that it’s not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I’d be disappointed.”

OFFduty asked Microsoft officials if that empathy might translate into practical workarounds for the military.

“I don’t have additional details to share and can’t speculate on workarounds at this time,” wrote Xbox rep Danica Stickel in an emailed response to questions, repeating the suggestion that troops could just use the 360 instead.

“Although we’re very excited about Xbox One, we remain dedicated to Xbox 360 now and for years to come. In fact, we are expecting some of the greatest blockbusters of 2013 and 2014 to come out on Xbox 360.”

She did offer some encouragement for Xbox One hopefuls, however, saying the regional lock restrictions aren’t much different from other content protections.

“Similar to the movie and music industry, games and other content must meet country-specific regulatory guidelines before they are cleared for sale — which means that games will work in the broad geographic regions for which they have been cleared, much as today with Xbox 360,” Stickel wrote.

“While the console itself is not geographically restricted, a user’s Xbox Live account, content, apps and experiences are all tied to the country of billing and residence,” she wrote.

“Military personnel will be able to take their Xbox One and play their games with them without an issue as long as the game has been ‘activated’ once in the U.S. Your games go with you and play, no issues,” she says.

Stickel also downplayed security concerns over the console’s always-on microphone or built-in Kinect video camera.

“When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded,” she says. “You will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup. The system will navigate you through key privacy options.”

But even those outside the military have been surprised by Micosoft’s shrug to the military community, with some speculating it will fuel a wider surge toward Sony’s Playstation console.

“This is shameful, says Joel Hruska, a writer for Extreme Tech website. “Telling troops that you ‘empathize’ with them is both embarrassing and hands Sony perfect ammunition.”

“Do I think Microsoft is going to change?” writes Hruska in a recent post. “Honestly, no. The remarks that’ve come out to date paint a picture of a company that’s so drunk on its own Kool-Aid, they aren’t listening to outside criticism or commentary any longer.”


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Xboxes at e3 weren't even the real consoles, they were windows 7 pc's with Nvidia cards: http://m.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One ... 56737.html

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I am fairly certain, that of members of this board, I am the only one who actively hates Sony; and I do not do so without basis. That said, you guys are certainly free to disagree. My opinion, based on Sony's behavior, is that they are bad for gaming. I know most of you don't share that, and I lament my lack of access to certain Naughty Dog projects occasionally.

I am not sold on the XBox One. I am not sold on the PS4. I am, however, supremely annoyed that Sony is being Sony: instead of delivering substantives that tell me why they have a better product, they are marketing their information void against their competitors substantives for the third cycle in a row. And, again, I feel Sony is bad for gamers in general.

To be honest, I'd love to see a surprise E3 is over announcement of a real SteamBox by Valve. I doubt the market has ever been more ripe. I also suspect that both the XBox One and the PS4 will have full Steam support and that element alone drove 90% of their architecture decisions.

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Xboxes at e3 weren't even the real consoles, they were windows 7 pc's with Nvidia cards: http://m.cinemablend.com/games/Xbox-One ... 56737.html

Sorry for the mobile link.
Sony has not demo'd a real console or even real SDK hardware at E3 ever ...

At the very least, all this says is that Microsoft is learning from Sony.

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I actively hate Sony and I didn't want anything to do with the PS4 at first.

As to Steam: the PS3 already supports it, so it's kind of a no-brainer that the PS4 will as well.

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Main point was, they weren't even using comparable hardware.


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Blerg. Also had to hop over to Monoprice to buy an HDMI switcher. Only two inputs on the soundbar.

And now, some of the ridiculed features of the X-Box 1 start to make sense! (sorry, I just couldn't resist.. I just don't get the hatred at the inclusion of something as utilitarian as that)

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As to Steam: the PS3 already supports it, so it's kind of a no-brainer that the PS4 will as well.
I'm banking on that fact ...

As it stands, a definite declaration of Steam support at launch for PS4 will earn a pre-order of 2 or 3 units.

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Main point was, they weren't even using comparable hardware.
My math says the demo PCs have more raw horsepower than the console, so that might introduce concern elements.

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I don't think the authentication's bandwidth requirements were ever the point of anyone's complaints.


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I don't think the authentication's bandwidth requirements were ever the point of anyone's complaints.
No, and I'm sure Ben Kuchera gets that ...

However, he does bring up a few salient points. Microsoft might be (ostensibly) using the wrong words to explain what Kuchera very deftly pointed out: maybe Microsoft isn't courting the mainstream dude-bros who want play Madden Pi. Maybe Microsoft is trying to provide a consolidated hardware platform for a more specific, more affluent market segment. It's hard to tell when their people keep saying stupid **** that outrages the public.

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Oh, and apparently Sony confirmed that they were using real dev kits at E3. So there's that.


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Oh, and apparently Sony confirmed that they were using real dev kits at E3. So there's that.
That would be awesome and a first.

The FFVII Tech Demo
The Killzone Gameplay Teaser
The Motorstorm Gameplay Teaser
The FFXIII Gameplay Teaser
The MGS2 Gameplay Trailer

Those things were "confirmed" to be running on SDK or retail-unit hardware and "in-engine" and "in-game" ... You will forgive me if I'm skeptical, right?

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