The Glade 4.0

Cheating one someone, especially someone you're not married to is not a crime and not a reason to throw a book a anyone. Especially not because of cynicysm about "male behavior".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Speaking on this subject, one of my good friends ended up in a **** up situation. 5 girls he had slept with were randomly together through chance and wound up realizing he had played them all. They drove over to his place (where he was banging yet another one in the hot tub, this one unaware of the situation) and began to vandalize his property (caramel and confectionaries on the door to the point of requiring a new finish), damage to his car etc. He filed a restraint against them and sue'd the.

However, the (female) judge called him a pig and told him he brought it on himself. He is a pig (and I have my own opinions about judges editorializing when it has nothing to do with law) but there's no reasonable way you can pardon the damages they caused.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

The judge should have been disbarred.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

but Elmo, in the real world this is not how it works. You can want the ideal balance to be in place, but it simply is not.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Don't really care how the "real world" works. The real world was never changed by people who only viewed what currently is but those who strived for what should be.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

you may not care, but until your actions do manage to make the changes you deem necessary you need to deal with how it currently is.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Of course. I never stated otherwise. I simply don't consider what currently exists to in anyway impact what the ideal is. It may impact the drive or the methodology we use to arrive close to the ideal however.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I can definitely see why open carry makes people nervous. When someone's carrying a concealed weapon in an area where people don't usually carry weapons, there's pretty much only two possible reasons. One is to protect themselves, and the other is they want to murder someone there, and in the latter case no amount of laws are going to stop it anyway.

Open carry is a different story. If someone is openly carrying a gun in a place where guns aren't normally carried, like a school or a political rally, there's a good chance he's just showing it off to deliberately stir up trouble/draw attention to himself/show everyone how big his penis is. This is exactly the person you don't want carrying a gun. Of course it doesn't justify just shooting him, but that's probably the cop just being an Internet Tough Guy anyway. If I was a cop I'd be very suspicious of anyone openly carrying a gun.

Or it is more comfortable, or its because its a faster draw, or because its their only legal way of carrying (don't have a CCW permit) or because its a form of political speech and awareness for them, or any other perfectly valid non - penis related reasons. Seriously why is a gun always about ego or something? Everyone I know who wakes up and puts on a gun considers it just like their wallet - something they don't leave home without.

Read this: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... ick-bigger.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

"Political speech" that involves showing off a firearm is exactly what police officers should be worried about. Open carry isn't always about ego but it's pretty likely. Not only are you broadcasting to any potential criminal that you're the one they need to shoot first, but usually when you see this it's a gun that can't possibly be safely used to protect yourself or the public. That guy with the rifle at a crowded political rally with thousands of people? Even if there is someone there that deserves shooting the bullet is going to go through six people behind him.

ummm; there are specifically laws to disallow guns to be brought inside of a school under any circumstances. The same laws apply to places like courthouses and most federal facilities.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Why is that political speech the kind police should be worried about? Reminding people about their rights and that owning a firearm isn't something that should be hidden, showing people that gun owners are responsible members of the community just like themselves, and getting people used to not seeing firearms as a chunk of pure evil?

How is it usually a gun that can't possibly be safely used to protect yourself or the public? Most crimminals when surveyed will not attack or move to commit a crime when someone in the area is visibly armed.

Also there hasn't been a single recorded incident of a person targetting an OC'er over another - even if there was - do you have a problem with someone willing to sacrifice their lives to give others a little more time?

I've met and talked to some of those guys carrying a rifle at political rallies with thousands of people. Guess what? Nobody got shot. The police came over though - and asked what model it was because they wanted one. The anarchists at the rally then came over and said they were glad the cops weren't the only ones armed. Wow - both sides happy, no one hurt - God bless guns.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Ok first of all there's no reason the cops should be worried about a guy that carries a gun openly as a form of speech. If he was going to attack them, he wouldn't advertise it unless he's a total fool in which case he ought to be easy to defeat anyhow because he'll make other mistakes.

Second, no, it is not likely at all that "open carry is bout ego".

Third, so what if you're broadcasting to a criminal that you're the one they need to shoot first? That's better than having no option at all at all to defend yourself with.

Fourth, it is not "usually not possible to safely defend yourself". Most of the time criminals do not attack people in crowded places like political rallies and that would be one place where you wouldn't need a gun because you and a bunch of other people can dogpile the guy.

Fifth, while there is some risk of overpenetration with rifles, it is not universal and it sure as **** is not going to go through 6 people unless it's one of those antitank rifles from WWII or maybe one of those gigantic sniper rifles, and no one would lug those monsters around anyhow.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

And gee, which one do you think is more likely? What's "an area where people don't usually carry weapons" anyhow?



Why? You'd be suspicious of hunters? Come on; like I said above a person carrying openly is little worry; they aren't trying to surprise you.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Would you be apprehensive about someone openly carrying a sword (not that there are many other ways to carry a sword)?

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

It depends on where they are. Obviously open carry at a shooting range or if you're hunting is fine. But if you're at a school, or like a retail store, or a restaurant, and you're openly carrying a firearm, that's just going to stir **** up and make people apprehensive for no reason. If I'm at Wal-Mart or Panera Bread and there's some guy in there with a **** rifle strapped across his back, I'm going to be a little apprehensive.

I hear being black in some places is known to make people apprehensive for no reason. Maybe we should stop people from doing that where people are apprehensive.

Hey Hannibal - have any input on this?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I OC'ed my AR and my glock in a thigh holster to Trader Joe's.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Yeah nice try, carrying a gun is a choice, being black is not.

You'll notice I also never said I think open carry should be banned. I just said it was perfectly reasonable for a cop to be suspicious of and pay more attention to the guy that's carrying a weapon.

Michael Jackson would have begged to differ.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Let us presume that is true.


Given that, and given that the obligation to proactively defend yourself from crime fails upon... yourself... don't you believe that if you statement is true, it is a "shame."

Open carry should be heartily encouraged in as many venues as possible.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I SO wish they would open OC to include swords... I would absolutely love to carry around a 70lb pull compound bow, and arrows.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Why? What are you worried about? That he'll shoot the place up? He's just having a nice Latte before he goes on his murder spree? Come on.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You can take Wal mart off you open carry list every wal mart I've ever seen has signs posted no firearms allowed, I know in AZ that applies to both open and concealed, you can be arrested for carrying there.
But then that only really applies to law abiding gun owners.

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History of the Condom
In 1272, the Muslim Arabs invented the condom, using a goat's lower intestine.
In 1873, the British somewhat refined the idea, by taking the intestine out of the goat first.

Your friend can file a complaint against the judge. It may not go far, but in this state, judges come up for reelection (not general election) and part of the process is a review of their history on the bench and whether they are actually qualified to still sit on the bench. Just recently a sitting judge was ruled ineligible to run for her bench again due to complaints.