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Studies consistently show that people (including black people themselves) are more fearful and suspicious of and less likely to trust black people, less inclined to hire black people, less likely to offer assistance to a black person, etc. Whether or not (or to whatever extent) those prejudices have some rational basis in statistics like crime rates and and so on, it's gotta suck for all the regular, perfectly decent black people who have that **** stacked against them.


Yeah, it has to. However, regular, perfectly decent black people who have that **** stacked against them still do well in America, despite all the bullshit. The only thing keeping the "black community" down is itself. If they stopped their voluntary segregation and assimilated with America...this would end.

In Canada there's no such thing as "black culture." Black is just another skin colour here, no more relevant than hair colour or eye colour. You can't tell by listening to someone born in Canada talk what colour their skin is. There is no racial divide, because there is no race. Oh, you can still tell with first generation immigrants - the Jamaican, Nigerian, Ethiopian, or Haitian accents will give it away, but that's not because they are black, it's because they are Jamaican, Nigerian, Ethiopian or Haitian.

In America, you have a problem. You've allowed two opposed cultures to develop based solely on the color of their skin. White people were initially responsible for this, but at this point, it's the black community that perpetuates it. This counterculture permeates even the language you speak. You find a black man who has fully integrated with the rest of American society, and close your eyes and listen to him speak, and you can no longer tell the color of his skin. I don't understand this aspect of American culture, but until you resolve it, your problems with racism are never going away.

Edit: I have no data or case study to support this, but I have a suspicion, that if three men showed up to apply for a job in St. Louis: (1) a well dressed black man with a typical St. Louis Missouri accent, (2) A well dressed black man with a foreign/African accent, and (3) a well dressed black man speaking ebonics, 1 and 2 are almost equally likely to get that job as a white guy. The 3rd guy can **** off. I don't think most "racism" is about race anymore. It's about language and culture.

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Our government is currently persecuting and harassing George Zimmerman at the direction of Eric Holder.


Which, let's be clear, means it's at the direction of the President. Unless, somehow, magically, the type legal politician in the country is acting wholly independently of his boss. Which I suppose could happen, but that presumption wasn't given to the last president by the left, so I refuse to allow that presumption now.

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It's statistically harder for any arbitrary hypothetical black person to get that because that black person is more likely to fall into disqualifying categories. It is not harder for actual individuals that don't fall into those categories.

This is the entire problem with the reasoning. Because the group as a whole has the problem does not automatically translate it to the individual.


For many of these "disqualifying categories," the prospective employer or loan officer or whatever does not actually know whether you fall into them or not. He has to go with the information he has and then make a decision based on the average. Having black skin color is an obvious piece of information that shifts the averages against you.

A 20-year old has super high insurance because, on average, most 20-year olds are terrible drivers. A sustained record of accident-free driving will lower his premiums, but a 23-year old with no accidents will still have a much higher insurance rate than a 40-year old on an identically valued car and no accident history. The 23-year old has a 7-year clean driving history, which AFAIK is the furthest any insurance company looks back, but his premiums are STILL higher simply because he's 23 and the other guy is 40. He's still a higher risk. Black skin represents a higher risk as long as black people have a higher crime rate/lower education rate/etc than the average.

In addition, while systematic racism is pretty much dead, individuals can still be racist and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that the number of anti-black racists far exceeds the number of anti-white ones. This is a further disadvantage for the black person.


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http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=http: ... -a-hoodie/

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Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., rejected the now-viral image showing the late civil rights leader wearing a hoodie just like the one Travyon Martin wore the night of his death.


MLK Hoodie – April 4th, 1968 by Nikkolas Smith courtesy of Deviant Art

“Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would very likely not wear a hoodie,” she said. “I can assure you he would not wear sagging pants.”

Dr. King made this statement on the Andrea Tantaros Radio Show on Tuesday after being asked what she thought of the image entitled MLK Hoodie – April 4th, 1968.

“I can almost promise you Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. would not wear a hoodie,” she further emphasized later in the interview.

Dr. King also said that people need to think with grace rather than emotions in reference to the image and the overall backlash to the George Zimmerman verdict.

“There was a reasonable doubt in that case,” she said. “So the case went the ways of the laws of this land, but now we need to go further and look at the human heart.”

Dr. King also called out the mongers in the media and elsewhere who are trying to spin the verdict into racial tensions between Caucasians and African-Americans.

“As far as trying to fit the Caucasians against African-Americans, Mr. Zimmerman is a Hispanic,” she said. “Although we are one blood, one human family, one human race, there’s a lot of deception and emotion in these things that are being spurred.”

“Mr. Zimmerman is not a Caucasian. He’s not.”

Even when her uncle was assassinated in 1968, Dr. King said that it wasn’t fair to blame it on Caucasians.

Right before her father left home in order to retrieve the body of the slain civil rights leader, she said she stood in the kitchen ranting, “I hate white people!”

“Alveda, white people did not kill your uncle,” Dr. King’s father said to her as he held her in his arms. “The devil did.”

From that experience, Dr. King learned to answer violent tragedies with love, not hate.

“We answer with reason,” she said. “We answer with sanity.”

Other people have also rejected the image, which was originally posted at Deviant Art.

“It seems over the years, people have forgotten what exactly he (Dr. MLK, Jr.) was fighting for: equality,” one commenter said.

This article was posted: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm

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For many of these "disqualifying categories," the prospective employer or loan officer or whatever does not actually know whether you fall into them or not. He has to go with the information he has and then make a decision based on the average. Having black skin color is an obvious piece of information that shifts the averages against you.

A 20-year old has super high insurance because, on average, most 20-year olds are terrible drivers. A sustained record of accident-free driving will lower his premiums, but a 23-year old with no accidents will still have a much higher insurance rate than a 40-year old on an identically valued car and no accident history. The 23-year old has a 7-year clean driving history, which AFAIK is the furthest any insurance company looks back, but his premiums are STILL higher simply because he's 23 and the other guy is 40. He's still a higher risk. Black skin represents a higher risk as long as black people have a higher crime rate/lower education rate/etc than the average.


And there are significant legal penalties to using race in that way, meaning that discriminating based on race is a risk category all its own. I don't recall ever putting race on a credit application, but I DO recall quite a few places where it was collected for equal opportunity purposes. You can bet people are tracking that kind of data.

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In addition, while systematic racism is pretty much dead, individuals can still be racist and I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that the number of anti-black racists far exceeds the number of anti-white ones. This is a further disadvantage for the black person.


The response to the Zimmerman trial indicates that the opposite is, in fact, true.

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Yeah, RD, it absolutely does suck for the folks that don't take the "easy way" and strive for a better life and future for themselves and their family. They keep their kids from getting involved with people who will bring them down and make every effort to have them associate with those who will lift them up, but they still pay the price of being associated with a culture that glorifies sociopathic behavior.
The example you gave of the episode of the West Wing brings to mind another correlation between muslims and blacks in the US, both need to deal with the real issues underlying the public perception of them as a group. They can both justifiably ***** about being wrongfully associated with an undesirable culture, but ***** won't solve the problem.
Each group has leaders that perpetuate the problem. Race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson (not to mention quite a few members of the CBC) base their existence on the perpetuation of racial tensions, while the other group has Imams, Muftis and Mullahs of the Muslim world that feed into the "jihad" with their rhetoric. These are the people that "speak" for the whole group in the eyes of outsiders. That has to be addressed if there is to be any hope for positive change.

edit: TLDR: Run Shrapton out of town on a rail and give King more credence.

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And there are significant legal penalties to using race in that way, meaning that discriminating based on race is a risk category all its own. I don't recall ever putting race on a credit application, but I DO recall quite a few places where it was collected for equal opportunity purposes. You can bet people are tracking that kind of data.


Well, yes. Like I said, under our current laws, where discrimination based on race is prohibited and black people get preferential treatment and handouts from the government, it's not clear whether black skin color is a disadvantage or actually an advantage. I just said that it was clear that in the absence of such laws, simply being black is a significant disadvantage.


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We don't actually know that. The last time we didn't have laws like that was 50 years ago. A strong case can be made that the laws create racism and resentment, particularly those that grant tangible benefits as opposed to mandating equal treatment.

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President Barack Obama said Friday that "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago" in his first live comments since a Florida jury acquitted George Zimmerman last weekend in the teenager's shooting death.


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President Barack Obama said Friday that "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago" in his first live comments since a Florida jury acquitted George Zimmerman last weekend in the teenager's shooting death.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Where was Zimmerman when we really needed him?

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President Barack Obama said Friday that "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago" in his first live comments since a Florida jury acquitted George Zimmerman last weekend in the teenager's shooting death.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Where was Zimmerman when we really needed him?


Unborn in his HISPANIC, NON-WHITE father's scrot.

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President Barack Obama said Friday that "Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago" in his first live comments since a Florida jury acquitted George Zimmerman last weekend in the teenager's shooting death.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/19/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t1


Where was Zimmerman when we really needed him?


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Good Lord...just read The One's comments about the case. It's official, we have the worst president in the history of the U.S. in office. What a complete moron.

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Really Nitefox? I'd still place Harding in that spot.

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Really Nitefox? I'd still place Harding in that spot.
That's only true if one believes Harding's cronyism to be worse than Obama's.

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Obama's a Democrat. Harding was a Republican. Therefore, Obama can not be worse than Harding.

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LBJ is easily the worst president. You can't really top the guy that gave us both Medicare (and as a result, pretty much the entire national debt) and Vietnam in horribleness.


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There were some real albatrosses in the 1800s we tend to forget. Millard Filmore, for example, is barely memorable - thankfully. Martin Van Buren was no champ either.

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There were some real albatrosses in the 1800s we tend to forget. Millard Filmore, for example, is barely memorable - thankfully. Martin Van Buren was no champ either.


Not that i know anything specifically about these guys, but to my mind, in the vast majority of situations, "Barely memorable" is the mark of a good president. There are exceptions -- extraordinary times make good leadership quite memorable, but for the most part, in normal, uneventful terms, the best thing you can say about a government is that they stayed out of your lives and were barely noticeable. If you can forget government exists, it's generally doing a good job.

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Good Lord...just read The One's comments about the case. It's official, we have the worst president in the history of the U.S. in office. What a complete moron.


Did you read the full transcript or some PJ media dissection of it?


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There were some real albatrosses in the 1800s we tend to forget. Millard Filmore, for example, is barely memorable - thankfully. Martin Van Buren was no champ either.


Not that i know anything specifically about these guys, but to my mind, in the vast majority of situations, "Barely memorable" is the mark of a good president. There are exceptions -- extraordinary times make good leadership quite memorable, but for the most part, in normal, uneventful terms, the best thing you can say about a government is that they stayed out of your lives and were barely noticeable. If you can forget government exists, it's generally doing a good job.


In most of those cases, it's that the issues they dealt with aren't relevant or spectacular enough to make them terribly memorable anymore. How memorable a president is has a lot more to do with when he happened to be President than how skillfully he handled it.

It doesn't mean "government" was "staying out of people's lives" at all.

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Good Lord...just read The One's comments about the case. It's official, we have the worst president in the history of the U.S. in office. What a complete moron.


Did you read the full transcript or some PJ media dissection of it?



Full thing. Didn't need a dissection. You still drinking the kool-aid?

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Good Lord...just read The One's comments about the case. It's official, we have the worst president in the history of the U.S. in office. What a complete moron.


Did you read the full transcript or some PJ media dissection of it?



Full thing. Didn't need a dissection. You still drinking the kool-aid?


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