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Really Nitefox? I'd still place Harding in that spot.
That's only true if one believes Harding's cronyism to be worse than Obama's.


Harding's cronyism and policies are what led to the great depression of the 20th century. His successor's were pretty incompetent and failed to prevent it.

GW Bush's cronyism and policies are what led to the first depression of the 21st century, still ongoing.

Obama's cronyism and policies are a work in progress, and have yet to be evaluated by the test of time. Personally, while not fond of them, I think the president is trying harder than other of the other two.

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Obama's a Democrat. Harding was a Republican. Therefore, Obama can not be worse than Harding.


If you are trying to be funny, that's hilarious. If you aren't, that is an amazing piece of partisan idiocy. There have been good and bad presidents from both parties.

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Neither Harding's nor Bush's policies lead to the depressions in question. Both of them were sewn a good 30 years prior to their occurrence.

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LBJ is easily the worst president. You can't really top the guy that gave us both Medicare (and as a result, pretty much the entire national debt) and Vietnam in horribleness.

JFK gave us Vietnam. LBJ gave us the Civil Rights Act though.

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Good Lord...just read The One's comments about the case. It's official, we have the worst president in the history of the U.S. in office. What a complete moron.


Did you read the full transcript or some PJ media dissection of it?



Full thing. Didn't need a dissection. You still drinking the kool-aid?


Sad.


I know I'm going to regret this but what's sad?

He had an easy one and still found a way to screw it up and make things worse. Your boy is a moron. An egotistical moron.

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Neither Harding's nor Bush's policies lead to the depressions in question. Both of them were sewn a good 30 years prior to their occurrence.


While there is some truth in what you say DE, the sewn seeds were fertilized watered, and their beds cleared by the presidents mentioned, either through direct action or neglect.

Obama did not cause the latest depression either. It was already well under way before he was elected and took office.

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I didn't claim Obama did cause it. However, GWB's policies were pretty much totally unrelated to the financial crisis; it would have happened regardless. How Harding's policies lead to the Great Depression is difficult to imagine.

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Nitefox, I'm not going to waste my time.

Since you're the one who started by saying that his comments where moronic, why don't you point out specifically what things you thought were idiotic.


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Nitefox, I'm not going to waste my time.

Since you're the one who started by saying that his comments where moronic, why don't you point out specifically what things you thought were idiotic.


You'll waste your time trolling but when asked something, you clam up. Typical. Next time just keep your trap shut if you aren't going to answer when asked something.

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In related news George Zimmermann has changed his name to Ben Ghazi so the media will never cover him again.

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Nitefox wrote:
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Nitefox, I'm not going to waste my time.

Since you're the one who started by saying that his comments where moronic, why don't you point out specifically what things you thought were idiotic.


You'll waste your time trolling but when asked something, you clam up. Typical. Next time just keep your trap shut if you aren't going to answer when asked something.


I'm not the one who made some claim with no commentary to back it up, you're the one who stated a position not me. But if you want an answer to what's sad, the answer is you. I find your positions, lack of reason and inability to see beyond your religious and political blinders to be very depressing.


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LBJ is easily the worst president. You can't really top the guy that gave us both Medicare (and as a result, pretty much the entire national debt) and Vietnam in horribleness.

JFK gave us Vietnam. LBJ gave us the Civil Rights Act though.


JFK only sent advisors to Vietnam, LBJ was the one that actually sent fighting units.

Also, I admit I am a little biased, I have to like JFK, as if he had been Republican Europe would be an irradiated nuclear wasteland and I probably wouldn't exist.


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In related news George Zimmermann has changed his name to Ben Ghazi so the media will never cover him again.


Badum Pshhh.

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I'm not the one who made some claim with no commentary to back it up, you're the one who stated a position not me. But if you want an answer to what's sad, the answer is you. I find your positions, lack of reason and inability to see beyond your religious and political blinders to be very depressing.
I'm sorry, but anyone who continues to support Barack Obama is guilty of religious and political blinders. Since when is our Department of Justice in the business of illegally persecuting, libeling, and slandering citizens acquitted by a jury? Since when is our Department of Justice, an executive branch office, in the business of maliciously and deliberately politicizing situations in an untrue manner? And, finally, since when is our President allowed to get on national TV and REPEAT lies we have records to believe they started in the first place?

Obama claims to the be the first post-racial President; so, tell me, why can't he or Eric Holder figure out George Zimmerman isn't white? Why are they playing into the Black vs. Caucasian race rhetoric with this situation?

Our current President is a disgusting, duplicitous human being who cares only about his own public appearance and political expedience, and then his supporters believe he does great things.

No, I'm sorry, Aizle, the one with religious and political blinders is you. Barack Obama is a bad President, a bad politician, and a bad person, and even Democrats should be appalled by his behavior. So, in case you aren't keeping score, even if we take George Zimmerman out of the picture ...

1. The Affordable Care Act has destroyed the labor market and affected every working individual in the United States. On just the Federal government's side, they've cut Tri-Care benefits about 40% across the board to make sure our military and government service employees didn't have Cadillac policies; and that's about the same thing almost all of our employers did with our group plans. But less than 3 months ago, Barack Obama was telling us ALL how it would have 0 impact on us. He was lying to your face.

Nevermind that full implementation was delayed until the last year of his presidency, right? We don't want to talk about the fact that the Affordable Care Act is 100% responsible for the current stagnation in our employment sector and a complete overhaul of our post-secondary education system. You don't work for a university, so let me just put it in simple terms:

Complying with the ACA is no less than a 40% operating cost increase for EVERY university in the country.

2. Congress is currently under orders from the President to deal with the Student Loan Interest Rate crisis. They have passed another bill drafted by the White House. Well, first things first: the interest rates doubled in March, not on the first of July. Secondly, the bill passed chains student loan interest to the 10 year Treasury Note plus 4.8%. Oddly enough, that works out to 6.8% and creates a variable interest loan out of ALL student loans, and while there is a mention of an 8.25% hard cap on student loan interest in the bill, there appear to be enough loopholes that the rates will go higher. But, you know, he keeps blaming the Republicans who wanted to re-instate the hard cap of 3.4%.

3. Barack Obama is actively pursuing gun control legislation. I guess, when Obama told Hunters and Sportsmen that he had no intention of pursuing any gun control legislation in 2 separate Presidential campaigns, he was just misinformed by his handlers?

4. The Supreme Court got a chance to overturn DOMA because Barack Obama told the Justice Department to enforce it. How is it no one ever had grounds to get a case to the Supreme Court on the issue before? Oh, right, despite signing it into law, Clinton prevented it from being enforced; as did George W. Bush. Are you going to give Obama credit for a SCOTUS decision of very questionable jurisdiction and whose existence was made possible by Obama enforcing a law he said he didn't support? There's some incongruity there ...

Which reminds me, Federal solicitors were assisting the State of California in its case to uphold Proposition 8.

5. How about the fact that while the U.S. Government owned General Motors (it actually still does, being principle holder of Preferred Stock still, but Obama won't admit to that) they stripped franchise licenses from 1300 dealerships -- all of whom contributed to his opposition candidates in the 2008 election cycle? Political retribution is, after all, something he's definitely about ...

How about ordering a recall that cost Toyota billions and functionally destroyed their brand image over "stuck accelerators"? You remember that right? The federal government petitioned the Courts for that recall? You know that the Court and every 3rd party group they had investigate it found no proof of any defect? And that even if they granted all 27 claims of stuck accelerators 100% credence, Toyota was required spend about $3000 each fixing some 7 million cars over that nonsense?

I could go on and on and on ... and we could quibble about these things ...

But, let's get down to it. When the Attorney General Eric Holder, appointed by Obama, answering to Obama, and beholden to Obama's directives, begins a criminal operations to persecute, marginalize, and politically harass an American citizen, and he is doing so (quote obviously given the content of the speech in question) under the direction of the President, none of the rest of that list matters. He's a vile, disgusting human being, and I am appalled that other citizens continue to support him and his Presidency.

It no longer matters what YOU or any liberal in America thinks George Zimmerman did. There's no dialogue on race relations to be had over Trayvon Martin and his Skittles. Institutional racism didn't fail to convict George Zimmerman. But, you know ...

A President who claims to have taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago, but never taught a single class at the University, ever, is engaged in criminal persecution and using the Federal Department of Justice to do it.

Yeah, there's something sad in this thread ... You not wholesale rejecting a President that is hostile to EVERYTHING our Constitution supposedly protects.

Nitefox is right; you're still drinking the Kool-Aid.

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I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that Obama is Satan on this board. Silly me.


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Aizle wrote:
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Nitefox, I'm not going to waste my time.

Since you're the one who started by saying that his comments where moronic, why don't you point out specifically what things you thought were idiotic.


You'll waste your time trolling but when asked something, you clam up. Typical. Next time just keep your trap shut if you aren't going to answer when asked something.


I'm not the one who made some claim with no commentary to back it up, you're the one who stated a position not me. But if you want an answer to what's sad, the answer is you. I find your positions, lack of reason and inability to see beyond your religious and political blinders to be very depressing.


LOL, that's it? I thought you had something new to say. So you see me the same way you always have. Big freakin whoop. Well guess what Aizle, the feeling is mutual. Just about every post(when we can actually nail you down on a solid opinion) makes me sad as well! You are such a blind lemming it's pathetic. We're twins!

Also, Khross just ripped you a new one(again).

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I'm sorry. I keep forgetting that Obama is Satan on this board. Silly me.



That's it? Khross just laid out to you why your boy is pretty horrible but all you can do is be snarky. See, it doesn't matter what anyone says to you.

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Deal with the facts, Aizle. It has nothing to do with being Satan. He's being judged on the quality of his actions and policy. In fact, if you want to know what's really sad?

It's 6 years into his Presidency, and you still think everything is someone else's fault, and so does he. The man has taken 0 ownership of that Office. I'll start thinking of him as a President when he has the balls to accept responsibility for the consequences of his actions and words.

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LBJ is easily the worst president. You can't really top the guy that gave us both Medicare (and as a result, pretty much the entire national debt) and Vietnam in horribleness.

JFK gave us Vietnam. LBJ gave us the Civil Rights Act though.


JFK only sent advisors to Vietnam, LBJ was the one that actually sent fighting units.

Also, I admit I am a little biased, I have to like JFK, as if he had been Republican Europe would be an irradiated nuclear wasteland and I probably wouldn't exist.

Except JFK created that mess all alone by deploying nukes to Europe, attempting to overthrow Cuba and then blockading the island. If I were European I'd **** my pants in fear when the US elects a Democrat as POTUS.

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There is absolutely no reason to think that if LBJ were replaced with a Republican, Europe (or anywhere else) would be substantially more likely to be an irradiated wasteland. The time when that was most likely to have happened was during the mid-late 50s and early 60's when the Soviets were so far behind in delivery systems they had to try sneaking them into Cuba. You may remember a certain incident surrounding that. During LBJ's administration, the situation was stabilizing as the Soviets overcame their difficulties with long-ranged missile systems.

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Truman sent advisors in 1950 or so
Ike continued that plus sent aircraft and other support
Kennedy added troops slowly throughout his term
LBJ ramps it up to the full scale war we know now, triggered by Gulf of Tonkin.
Nixon retreats.


Get the history correct, especially if we want to sling partisan labels around.

In order: joined by a democrat, continued and escalated by a republican, heightened by a democrat and then again by another democrat before being ended by a republican.

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Not really likely there either. Part of the reason France developed its own deterrent and partially withdrew from NATO was fear that the U.S. wasn't really committed to the defense of Europe.

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What about it? I'm talking about what Xeq said, not you.

I don't know why you think Europeans would think deploying nukes there was something to be fearful of either. Both Britain and France got them, and quite a few countries you wouldn't expect today (Sweden, for example) thought seriously about getting them. In the 1960s, tactical nuclear weapons were the best bet for stopping a Soviet invasion. It wasn't until the mid-1980s that a really serious technological advantage on land began to appear for NATO. Sea and air are a different story.

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During the Cuban Missile Crisis, JFKs entire cabinet was unanimously in favor of an invasion of Cuba. They all thought it would lead to nuclear war and were OK with this because at that point in time this was a war we would almost certainly have won, because the Soviet Union had very few, unreliable missiles that could actually hit the US. In addition, the US was just coming out of Eisenhower's administration, during which at one point the US had 60% of the world's entire economy. Fast forward a few years, Europe was paying off its WWII reconstruction debts and starting to catch back up. Yes, I think a conservative President would have gone for the "easy" victory, eliminating his two biggest enemies, (Russia and China were still allied at this point) getting to be the guy that vanquished Communism, and maintaining US total supremacy over the world for decades. Europe would have been completely devastated in such a war, as the Soviets had thousands of nukes that could reach Europe. That would of course also be good for the US, as the US could have again loaned them the money to rebuild, massively indebting them to the US for several more decades.

Instead, JFK chose to save the world at the USs "expense," and while it still came out as a victory for the US, it's nowhere near what it could have been if he'd decided to go for war.


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