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 Post subject: WTF Ohio?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:22 pm 
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http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ion-issue/

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CINCINNATI – David Pepper, Democratic candidate for Attorney General, called on Attorney General Mike DeWine to cease his effort to deny recognition of the marriage of two Cincinnati citizens, one of whom is in hospice and will likely pass away soon.

On Monday, U.S. District Court Judge Tim Black issued an order in support of recognizing the marriage of Cincinnati residents John Arthur and James Obergefell, who were married on July 11 in Maryland, where same-sex marriage is legal.

Mr. Arthur is battling ALS, a debilitating, terminal illness, and is in hospice. The couple filed suit so that Mr. Arthur’s death certificate will read that he and Mr. Obergefell were married. Judge Black, citing recent U.S. Supreme Court cases striking down anti-gay laws, ruled in favor of the couple.

The court rejected arguments made by DeWine’s office that the case was not an emergency, noting that Mr. Arthur’s “death is imminent.” And the court added: “Dying with an incorrect death certificate that prohibits Arthur from being buried with dignity constitutes irreparable harm.”


That DeWine guy is just being a huge douche.

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While being a huge douche is what Dewine does best, he could be only following Ohio law (this time). I'm not sure how the whole homosexual union in other states works exactly.

How exactly does his certificate saying "married to another man" or not have to do being buried with dignity?

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It'd be ok if they were cousins though.

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Al Gerhardstein, the attorney for the two husbands, argued that Ohio should recognize same-sex marriages from other states because it recognizes opposite-sex marriages from other states, including some that are banned in Ohio like first cousins or too(sic) young people marrying.

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I don't really care what is on his death certificate. I'm more worried about it setting a precedent to overturn what a majority of ohio voters support.

Again, why is it so important and how does it relate to being buried with "dignity." He can be burried however he liked. I'd imagine he can even have whatever he wants put on his tombstone including married to so and so.

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I am sympathetic to gay marriage but **** these two. You knew you had ALS when you left Ohio to get married and you knew Ohio wouldn't recognize it when you came back. So yeah, **** them.

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I don't really care what is on his death certificate. I'm more worried about it setting a precedent to overturn what a majority of ohio voters support.


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As opposed to the appeal to emotion that is the premise of this thread? Despite his language, Hopwin has a point? They knew the law, yet they decided to come back. Why should they have an exception?

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I do want to add that is its possible, in the wake of DOMA that we no longer have the right to discriminate (not always a bad word, people discriminate all the time) between homosexual and traditional out of state marriage, I'm not a lawyer nor do I currently pretend to play one on the internet.

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So are we ignoring Müs' post? You know, the one that establishes that Ohio has already created a precedent where they recognize marriages they don't allow in-state?


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I think I just addressed that. It's possible. I think that part of DOMA wasn't struck down. Personally I'm against incestuous and underage marriages as well. It is an inconsistancy, but I still feel that the difference between a man and woman is more different between a sister and a stranger or a 17 year old and an 18 year old

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Ohio, specifically in having a law that recognizes other marriages that are banned in the state needs to now **** off and suck up the fact that their own laws require them to acknowledge the marriage since it is legal in the place the men married.

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This could be. As I said I'm not keen on the legal ramifications. However:

That doesn't diminish the fact that they knew what the law was at the time. (it may have changed since) yet they chose to come back to Ohio, knowing their homosexual union might not be recognized.

It doesn't explain to me the judges comment on how not having the words on the death certificate deny him being burried with dignity.

You all (society) keep telling me that homosexual unions are about letting people do what they want, and not imposing on the beliefs of others. Yet I keep see cases like this, where people are trying to stick it people that believe homosexualitly, like other forms of improper sexual attraction, is immoral.

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You all (society) keep telling me that homosexual unions are about letting people do what they want, and not imposing on the beliefs of others. Yet I keep see cases like this, where people are trying to stick it people that believe homosexualitly, like other forms of improper sexual attraction, is immoral.


Usually you're pretty reasonable on stuff like this, Rori. This comment surprises me.

When have people tried to force those who believe homosexuality is immoral to have homosexual relationships?

Morality is personal. Forcing you to accept someone else's homosexuality is not forcing their believes on you, at all. There's no such thing as "Tyranny that won't let us oppress those who we feel need to be oppressed." A live and let live, let people do what they want approach, means you accept homosexuals and don't oppose them, and they accept you and don't oppose you not being homosexual.

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Acknowledging that they have been married by another state does not mean that they agree with the marriage itself. A nonsensical argument, Rori.


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Ohio, specifically in having a law that recognizes other marriages that are banned in the state needs to now **** off and suck up the fact that their own laws require them to acknowledge the marriage since it is legal in the place the men married.

The difference being an illegal marriage is still a marriage by definition in our constitution. Gay marriage is not recognized as marriage at all because it fails to meet the definition. You want to legalize gay marriage nationwide by forcing a full faith and credit clause through the courts? No.

Fine if you want to put it on the ballot, hell I will vote for it (again), but this is a backdoor dick move by an ******* with a deathbed wish.

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Rorinthas wrote:
You all (society) keep telling me that homosexual unions are about letting people do what they want, and not imposing on the beliefs of others. Yet I keep see cases like this, where people are trying to stick it people that believe homosexualitly, like other forms of improper sexual attraction, is immoral.


Usually you're pretty reasonable on stuff like this, Rori. This comment surprises me.

When have people tried to force those who believe homosexuality is immoral to have homosexual relationships?

Morality is personal. Forcing you to accept someone else's homosexuality is not forcing their believes on you, at all. There's no such thing as "Tyranny that won't let us oppress those who we feel need to be oppressed." A live and let live, let people do what they want approach, means you accept homosexuals and don't oppose them, and they accept you and don't oppose you not being homosexual.

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It's a collective "you" Taly. You (personally) have been a reasonable sort

There are a lot of stories out there where homosexual unions have gone into law where florists, bakers and the like are being sued an prosecuted under anti-descrimination laws for not wanting to participate in homosexual ceremonies.

I really don't care what these two men do, other than I do believe it could negatively effect their eternity. However there is an element in the homosexual movement that wants to silence all opposition.

So yeah I get a little carried away with stuff like this sometimes.

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Reading your comments again. If you thought I was talking about something else, I'm sorry. They aren't forcing people to engage in homosexual activity, but some are trying to bully opposers who don't see it as normal by doing the things I mentioned above. Perhaps I wasn't the most eloquent yesterday.

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So are we ignoring Müs' post? You know, the one that establishes that Ohio has already created a precedent where they recognize marriages they don't allow in-state?


Would they recognize a firsticousin marriage of same sex partners? Prob not.

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The issue here is a citizen of one state using the laws of another state to make an end run around his own. The fact that same sex marriage is involved is irrelevant. The only thing thats bullshit is recognizing some non-maariages but not others.

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The issue here is a citizen of one state using the laws of another state to make an end run around his own. The fact that same sex marriage a fugitive slave law is involved is irrelevant.

Given that change, would you still argue that the substantive content of the law in question is irrelevant and that the only important issue is that someone (i.e. the escaped slave) used the law in one state to make an end run around the law in his "home" state?


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The issue here is a citizen of one state using the laws of another state to make an end run around his own. The fact that same sex marriage a fugitive slave law is involved is irrelevant.
Given that change, would you still argue that the substantive content of the law in question is irrelevant and that the only important issue is that someone (i.e. the escaped slave) used the law in one state to make an end run around the law in his "home" state?
Again, you're conflating morality and legality.

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I actually rather approve of using another state's laws that are more beneficial to your cause to try to impose change upon the other state by force.

As long as I agree with the issue, anyway.

Anything that minimizes the influence of any religion at all upon law is a good thing. There's no such thing as a dirty trick, or an underhanded method. When it comes to legalities, it is truly Fines iustificatis.

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The issue here is a citizen of one state using the laws of another state to make an end run around his own. The fact that same sex marriage a fugitive slave law is involved is irrelevant.

Given that change, would you still argue that the substantive content of the law in question is irrelevant and that the only important issue is that someone (i.e. the escaped slave) used the law in one state to make an end run around the law in his "home" state?

So you believe Ohio should have enforced the fugitive slave laws even though Ohio didn't allow slaves? Because you are now asking Ohio to enforce gay marriage laws that it doesn't allow. Or perhaps I should carry my gun into NYC and demand they recognize my right to concealed carry since Ohio does?

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I actually rather approve of using another state's laws that are more beneficial to your cause to try to impose change upon the other state by force.

As long as I agree with the issue

That's rather short sighted. Tomorrow you could be the wrong side of another issue and with the Rule of Law destroyed you'd be out of luck

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