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That's rather short sighted. Tomorrow you could be the wrong side of another issue and with the Rule of Law destroyed you'd be out of luck

So you believe Ohio should have enforced the fugitive slave laws even though Ohio didn't allow slaves? Because you are now asking Ohio to enforce gay marriage laws that it doesn't allow. Or perhaps I should carry my gun into NYC and demand they recognize my right to concealed carry since Ohio does?

Again, you're conflating morality and legality.

No, I'm just saying that I think the substantive content of a law is relevant to the analysis of whether or not I support "doing an end run" around that law. It's like the idea that proof of "actual innocence" should trump the procedural finality of a criminal trial. You can't relitigate convictions over every little thing, but if there's compelling new evidence that the guy was actually innocent, then the substance trumps the procedure. Same thing here. You shouldn't do an end run around a state's laws as a general matter, but if the law in question is sufficiently unjust, then I say go for it.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

The I suppose we should ask Khross to define what unjust is and then have Nitefox quantify what is and is not sufficiently unjust.

Also there is big difference between a government saying a person is property and a government saying we are going to promote homosexual behavior(they still permit it)

You want to legalize gay marriage nationwide by forcing a full faith and credit clause through the courts?

So you believe Ohio should have enforced the fugitive slave laws even though Ohio didn't allow slaves? Because you are now asking Ohio to enforce gay marriage laws that it doesn't allow. Or perhaps I should carry my gun into NYC and demand they recognize my right to concealed carry since Ohio does?

Again how does a persons same gender partners name not appear on his/her death certificate adversely effect his/her funary arrangements?

Based on the Full Faith and Credit clause, I feel that it should be recognized nationwide. I feel that ignoring parts of the constitution because "it does not apply to faggots" is complete and utter bullshit and is forcing someone else's moral bullshit down someone else's throat.

as far as the other points regarding religion... any god who would condemn me because I am being tolerant of other people or their personal beliefs is no god worth giving praise to.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

Using your example... this would be like Ohio having laws that allow you to own Chinese and/or Irish slaves but not African ones, if you moved into their state as a slave owner, but not be able to purchase anymore new slaves once living there.

So to use your NYC example... it would be like NYC saying, yes we WILL recognize your right to carry concealed because Ohio does, and we already allow people from Texas, New Jersey and Colorado to CCW because their states allow them to. And then some dick attorney in NYC saying no... **** Gun Owners from Ohio, I do not agree with THEM and we need to not allow them to have the same rights we give to people from Texas, Jersey and Colorado.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

The I suppose we should ask Khross to define what unjust is and then have Nitefox quantify what is and is not sufficiently unjust.

I have to say there's something endearing about your fierce defense of their vote while also acknowledging how stupid they are.

Because the location of the funary arrangements REQUIRES that only spouses be buried together in a shared plot.

CINCINNATI (AP) — John Arthur, who with his longtime partner helped lead a legal challenge to Ohio's ban on gay marriage, died early Tuesday, his attorney and a funeral home director said. He was 48.

With Arthur terminally ill from Lou Gehrig's disease, he and James Obergefell, 47, flew to Maryland in June to marry after more than 20 years together. They then then sued in federal court in Cincinnati for recognition of their marriage in Ohio so they could be buried next to each other in Arthur's family plot, which only allows decedents and spouses.

"Their love is a model for all of us," attorney Al Gerhardstein said, praising Arthur for fighting in his last days for the rights of all same-sex couples.

"Part of John's legacy will be the difference he has already made in the struggle for marriage equality," Gerhardstein said.

Funeral home director Robert Grunn, who recently joined the lawsuit as a plaintiff, said arrangements were pending.

U.S. District Judge Timothy Black found in favor of the couple and a second couple that joined the lawsuit. He wrote that they deserved to be treated with respect and that Ohio law historically has recognized out-of-state marriages as valid as long as they were legal where they took place, citing marriages between cousins and involving minors.

"How then can Ohio, especially given the historical status of Ohio law, single out same-sex marriages as ones it will not recognize?" Black wrote in August. "The short answer is that Ohio cannot."

The lawsuit has been expanded to have the out-of-state marriages of all gay couples in similar situations recognized on Ohio death certificates, despite the statewide ban. Black is expected to rule on that in December.

Critics of the lawsuit say it's a backdoor approach to legalizing gay marriage in Ohio and that the cemetery where Obergefell and Arthur want to be buried next to each other likely would accommodate their request without litigation.

But the president of the cemetery where they want to be buried said he has to follow Ohio law.

Gary Freytag, president of Spring Grove Cemetery, said that in order for the couple to be buried next to each other, they either have to be listed on their death certificates as married or get written permission from all the living direct heirs of the family plot.

He pointed out that the problem likely won't come to a head until Obergefell's death, since Arthur's family is the one who has a plot at Spring Grove.

"At that point, Ohio law may allow single-sex marriage," he said.

The case has drawn attention in other states, including helping spark a similar but much broader lawsuit in Pennsylvania. Black's decision also has irritated some conservative groups and lawmakers in Ohio, with one Republican state legislator calling for Congress to impeach him.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin