The Glade 4.0

I honestly do not know how to reconcile the harshness of your comments on things like this with the bouncing Pinkie Pie in your sig. The ponies would not approve.

*ETA: On the other hand, they were all fine with Celestia imprisoning her own sister for a millennium, petrifying Discord, and disembodying Sombra and locking him in the ice for a thousand years, so maybe they're pretty harsh after all!

What I want to know is what the hell her husband did during the consultations or whatnot to provoke (incite? induce? No, all of those carry more weight and justification than I'm looking for.. whatever) that kind of reaction.

I mean, so far, the best I can come up with is "Your piece of **** monkey of a husband made me sit through 3 hours of bullshit racial sensitivity training, you *****..." And, damn. I mean, I've been subjected to plenty of awful HR ass-covering training, and complained about what a waste of time the incredibly awkward videos and stuff were, but that kind of rage is orders of magnitude beyond any sensible reaction to anything of the sort I can think of...

Which, I suppose, is the point.

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Perhaps, perhaps not. I mean the penal system on Equestria is FAR harsher than a little *** beating.

Luna got exiled to the moon for a thousand years for wanting the ponies to experience the night a bit more.

Maybe if Celestia had spanked her sister more as a child, she wouldn't have turned out to be Nightmare Moon.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Are you serious? Our penal system is the scorn of pretty much the entire rest of the first world due to its brutality and the Lord of the Flies type crap that goes on within them. In the US, prison rape is a joke. It's a joke because people accept that being repeatedly raped should be a routine part of the typical prison experience. In, say, Germany, a prisoner that was raped three times would definitely be immediately released and would probably be entitled to renumeration from the government for failing to protect him. In the US, on the other hand, prison rape is so bad that if you include prison rape in the rape statistics, it results in men being raped more often than women overall.

That's to say nothing of the overcrowding, which is so bad I can confidently say the majority of first world nations' courts would order the immediate mass release of prisoners if it ever got near that bad in their countries. Hell, our own courts are starting to do that now, just look at California.

Ha! Yeah, you beat me to it. See my edit above.

That sounds like a fanfic...

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Because the Euros are a bunch of sissies.

To be fair, I'd order the release of a bunch of prisoners here as well. Victimless crimes like drug possession and whatnot, gtfo, you didn't hurt anyone. Murderers get executed, rapists, executed. People that can't live in society, executed. Thieves and whatnot, lashed, then released.

But nooo life is sacred, and people need to be "rehabilitated".

Bullshit. Treat animals like animals. Can't control your damn self, you need to be put down like the rabid dog you are.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If he were not serious he would have said our Penile system is a joke.

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Darksiege
Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Given that I guarantee that you are a felon (as am I, and all of us at this point), this is dangerous thinking.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I've never murdered anyone, assaulted anyone, or raped anyone. Its not that hard to not do. And yet, some people just can't not do it.

**** those people.

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Holy shitsnacks!

You didn't say murder, assault, or rape. You said "criminals." I guarantee that you are, technically speaking, a criminal. You may even be a bigger criminal than this woman was. Should it be ok for you to be "treated like an animal" and beaten, potentially in front of your own children?



Let's be clear, I'm averse to less molly-coddling and harsher punishments, but personally I'd balance that with revocation of mandatory minimums, the death penalty for prison rape convictions, and less overcrowding (not through building more prisons but through release of non-violent drug offenders).

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

I can't stand up for these officers on the face of it, but I can't use them to demean the concept of police officers in general.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Arafys, were talking about shoplifting here. She didn't murder anyone.

My problem with this is the light penalty. Unless they can claim some kind of legitimate mental incapacity, the police officers involved in this assault should be permanently banned from ever wearing a badge or carrying a weapon ever again.

Especially on the taxpayers dime...

Any normal man caught on camera beating a woman like that would be arrested and put in jail. Since we're not allowed to hold police officers to higher standards, can we at least hold them to the SAME standard?

The scorn of "the rest of the first world" on pretty much any social issue is a sign that we are doing the right thing. The vast majority of the rest of the first world are socialist fantasies, able to sustain their indulgent social policies only because we foot the bill for defense, and their small size and population homogeneity do not contribute the kind of criminal problems we have here.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Yeah, in my younger years there were a couple of bored-teenager theft instances.

Had I gotten my *** kicked (no serious permanent damage) at the time by the individual harmed, I would have accepted that as just even at the time. By cops after the incident? Hell no. These people need to go to jail.

Are you seriously suggesting that prison rape is a good thing? Because it's no strawman to extrapolate that from your reply here to Xequecal.

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Rape is already illegal in our prisons, and I did not suggest we change that. I also don't believe that the situations in the prisons of other countries are as rosy as they pretend.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I feel like this belongs here.



It's his own damn fault for making sudden movements.

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The point is the systems of "other countries" have actual incentives to prevent prison rape. If someone gets raped, they get a payoff and/or released. That means the government/prison MUST prevent rapes if they don't want to get crucified by the electorate for letting all the prisoners go.

Our system doesn't have it. Nobody gives a **** if a prisoner gets raped. The bureau of prisons suffers little to no consequences for a high incidence of rape or other crimes in prison. The victim, in addition, has no recourse at all. He's not allowed to defend himself and he's not allowed to move away from the people who are victimizing him. In fact, many people think it's appropriate that people get beaten and raped in prison, and tacitly approve of conditions that are conducive to this.

In addition, most European countries don't have indeterminate life terms, so prisoners are less likely to commit crimes that will extend their sentences. In the US we have lifers that have nothing to lose because they're never getting out anyways.

I tried doing some research on prison rape rates in other countries and found nothing related to the laws about release that you have now mentioned twice. I was however looking for statitistics in other countries, not specifically laws, so a link supporting your claims would be appriciated.

That said, the only information I could find related to studies and rates of incidence in other countries all basically siad it appears yo be a lower rate than the US, but it could be that the reporting mechanisms in place hide the occurances, prisoners in most other countries are under much higher social pressure to hide any such attacks, and lack of controls at the administrative level to acknowledge such occurances.

Of course, the only two reports I saw were looking at the rates in Britian (not good) and a comparison between the US and Canada. Everyone else seems to either not care and dont perform surveys, or hide the results to avoid the reputation that taints the US. There were also some studies on Islamic countries, but you first used the qualifier of "first world", so I disregarded them.

Comparisons aside, there's really no excuse for our (US) rates to be anywhere near as high as they are. Prison rape (hell, all prison violence) should be extraordinarily rare and the perpetrators virtually always caught and punished. There's no reason, in this day and age of cheap surveillance equipment, to not have every square inch of our prisons under constant surveillance from multiple angles and in HD quality. Switch to non-custodial punishments for most non-violent offenders (or better yet, just decriminalize or even legalize most drugs), and the overcrowding issue would go away too.

And punished severely. Like, as in, death penalty.



Cost.

However, we could offset that cost by eliminating mandatory minimums, 3 strike laws, and releasing non-violent drug offenders.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Yeah, but I don't think the cost would really be all that high, at least as a percentage of the total budget for prisons. A few extra billion should do it.

You'd probably be surprised as to the cost of a robust monitoring system.

Plus, then you have to hire people to monitor it, people to maintain it, ongoing updates, repairs from prisoner sabotage, etc.

Can't be done without corresponding alterations/cuts.

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