Xequecal wrote:
The point is the systems of "other countries" have actual incentives to prevent prison rape. If someone gets raped, they get a payoff and/or released. That means the government/prison MUST prevent rapes if they don't want to get crucified by the electorate for letting all the prisoners go.
Where's the actual evidence of this?
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Our system doesn't have it. Nobody gives a **** if a prisoner gets raped. The bureau of prisons suffers little to no consequences for a high incidence of rape or other crimes in prison. The victim, in addition, has no recourse at all. He's not allowed to defend himself and he's not allowed to move away from the people who are victimizing him. In fact, many people think it's appropriate that people get beaten and raped in prison, and tacitly approve of conditions that are conducive to this.
The victim isn't "not allowed" to defend himself, the usual problem is that he's outnumbered, or if not, he's outmatched.
The real problem is that there's a lot of voluntary prison sex as well. Quite a few people go "gay for the stay" because the human sex drive is really just that strong, especially for longer sentences. However, since sex is not permitted in prisons, period, there is a lot of incentive to claim rape when one is caught. There is also a lot of incentive to claim one is a poor, helpless victim when overly-credulous sociologists come around looking for evidence of how bad the prison really is. At that point, everyone in the joint becomes some poor guy who got railroaded by the system, or maybe just only did one thing wrong in their whole life, and now gets assraped daily by roving bands of evil inmates that the guards can't control.
Mysteriously, however, you will never actually find the assrapers in the same studies. Inmates are a lot less interested in talking about the people they victimize than their own supposed victimization. It can even be the same people, the fact that Bubba was assraping Lamont yesterday doesn't mean Tyrone won't be assraping Bubba today.. and you can bet today is the only incident Bubba will be able to recall when he's asked.
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In addition, most European countries don't have indeterminate life terms, so prisoners are less likely to commit crimes that will extend their sentences. In the US we have lifers that have nothing to lose because they're never getting out anyways.
Less than 2% of all inmates have life terms. They are not the ones committing all of the various crimes within the prisons.
However, since you're expounding on this topic as if you knew what you wre talking about, I will give you a clue so maybe next time you actually can.
What we have in the U.S. are
prison gangs. Prison gangs are a form of organized crime, a very powerful form - because they control the prisons. When other criminals go to prison, they're on the gang's turf, and have to follow the "rules". Street gangs are frequently vassals of prison gangs because if they don't play ball, their members will be at the mercy of the prison gang when they go to the joint.
The situation in our prisons is a result of our situation in regards to crime in general. There are simply a lot of ignorant people living in very ethnocentric worlds, with little self control and few tools to change themselves, and they are very vulnerable to wanting to be part of a group.
If we tried to duplicate European prisons, we would find them deteriorating into total chaos because the prisoners would take advantage of and game the system at every opportunity. As it is, they do that. Ever heard of a "jailhouse lawyer"? They're very common; they are inmates that think they have all the rules figured out and who make complaints at the drop of a hat, or even file lawsuits over nothing.. sometimes just for something to do.
Behind all of it though, are prison gangs, money, drugs, and the world of organized crime, and dealing with it is essentially an endless problem.