The Glade 4.0

Public institutions do not employ our "entire post-secondary education system".

Who owns the property does not somehow make everyone that works there a "government employee". Especially not a Federal employee, which is the implication of stating I have to take some "standardized" ethics test that you also have to take.

You are relying entirely on pedantry in order to avoid admitting that you were trying to drag the discussion onto me personally: "You are still an active duty police officer. Taco Bell offers a discount to officers in uniform. Do you accept the discount?" and doing do in an irrelevant fashion. No one is defending the actions of the CPSC as ethical, well-advised, or meaningfully beneficial to the public interest; the discussion is solely over the matter of legal remedy for the problem as the result of suit against the government versus suit against the individuals, and the irrelevancy of lawsuits to people getting fired.

The only person giving anyone attitude here is you. Period. You have been instructed that you do not have privilege to ask me personal questions. I don't particularly care what technicalities you want to use to excuse it; it's framed in terms of me, personally, and therefore is a personal question as far as I am concerned. I do not need to and will not defend this standard to you. That's all there is to it. You are not in your classroom; you do not set the terms of the discussion, and if you want to have a conversation with me you will do so by talking in terms of the matter at hand and not referring to my personal situation, or you will not have a conversation with me. Period. I'm an adult, I determine under what conditions I will speak to someone, and I am not "giving you attitude" by doing so. If you want to set your own conditions you go right ahead, and if they aren't acceptable to me, I just won't discuss things with you.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Diamondeye:

It's not a personal question. If you cannot accept that, the problem is yours not mine. You're the person making this about you, not anyone else. Incidentally, we are not in my classroom and you don't own these forums, so tell me why the rest of us must allow you to dictate discussion terms to us?

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Khross, stop. You don't do 'innocent' well.

You know damn well you were attempting to imply DE is hypocritical on this particular issue.


And as for trying to dictate forum rules to other people, Pot, meet Kettle. How many times have you suggested other people shouldn't post?

Furthermore, the only thing he's doing is rejecting your line of inquiry by refusing to engage with you on it. He's simply stating conditions for arguing with him on this issue.

No, I get it - it's a hypothetical. "You're a police officer..." "You're a pregnant woman being chased by zombies. There's a chainsaw and a shotgun, what do you do?"

The problem here is your poor communication on this. If you say you don't see how your question could easily be viewed by DE as a personal question, you're being intentionally obtuse.

I'm not. I'm telling YOU what the discussion terms YOU will follow are if YOU want to have a conversation with me. I might relax those terms if you demonstrate the ability to discuss issues without making them about me personally, but since this is a repeated pattern of behavior with you over years and years, you are on probation in terms of what I will and will not discuss with you. Until I see some improvement, you do not have privilege to ask me anything that in any way references my personal situation, and expect any sort of answer other than "sorry, go back to the topic at hand." I didn't say they applied to anyone else. I don't need to accept anything, and the problem is very much yours since YOU are the one refusing repeated invitations to go back to the Bucky Balls issue.

It is a personal question. Period. You are wrong. That is all there is to it. You tried to make it about me, and now you are claiming you didn't in order to make it appear you are being mature and detached and I'm somehow not for.. not answering a question that emphasizes me, personally, rather than the topic at hand.

This is not a matter of debate or discussion; it's a matter of you doing this blatantly and then insisting against common sense that you're not doing it. You are dragging this out in a pointless argument about nothing because you are more interested in making me the issue than you actually are in the Bucky Balls topic. That is patently obvious from your continued pursuit in this track. I have pointed out that the floor is wide open to comment on the matter and yet you disregard it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's not a personal question. It never was. It's a hypothetical. You taking it personally is not my problem. The three of you attempting to ascribe motivations, yet again however, is a problem for this community.

Since the three of you have apparently invented Mind Reading Over the Internet ...

Tell me what I'm thinking now.

Actually, here's all the proof I need to know you're the one making this personal.

viewtopic.php?p=208402#p208402

I didn't even participate in that thread, Diamondeye.

I didn't even participate.

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Khross, you addressed thequestion in terms of me, personally. It was not hypothetical. You've had ample opportunity to rephrase it or move on. You haven't. No one has commented on your motivations. There's nothing else to discuss as you are clearly not actually interested in the topic.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Oh. My. God.

You're both pretty. Can we get back to the tyranny thing please?

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Holy shitsnacks!

I've been asking to do just that for several posts now. What do you have to say in regard to the question of cigil remedy/injunctive relief?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You have? That question is part of the discussion on the thread. I cannot help that you're offended where there's no offense to take. I addressed my post to you. The question isn't personal. Anyone else is free to answer it, too.

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It is not relevant to the matter under discussion. Absolutely no one thinks the actions taken by the CPSC were appropriate.

It is hilarious, however, that you address the question to me in terms of my situation, then cite a thread where you didn't comment on the matter the first time around, then claim it is not a personal question. Yeah, ok, whatever. Just keep insisting.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Ummm ...

You're also the one who brought up the Bucky Balls thread in which I didn't participate. Please, do tell me how I'm the one trolling.

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No, I am not the one who brought up that thread; it was the matter under discussion when you stuck your oar in with your irrelevant question. You're trolling. How has already been explained. Using your "please do explain" line is not helping you. All you're doing is using your typical phrasing techniques to try to score points.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Swing and a miss. I ascribed no motivations. I suggested to you that you work on your communication to solve the issue.

But, let's see - right now you're thinking "How can I spin Arathain's post to show that I'm right?"

And now you're thinking of BOOBS

Yes, you're trying to tell me you know better than I do what I was thinking when I posted that. You are ascribing motivations to me based on what exactly? The problem with this thread is not my question, because the question is relevant. The problem with this thread is, once again, you, Arathain, and TheRiov trying to tell other posters their motivations.

You're not in our brains. You cannot read minds. Stop trying to tell the rest of what we're thinking.

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No one has ascribed any motivation to you. You're just making that claim as your standard tactic ( see? That's not ascribing motivation to you; that's observing your behavior.) You're just disagreeing with the same people you automatically disagree with all the time. (That would be more observed behavior). Oh, by the way, quit telling other people to quit telling you what you think. Not only do you do the same thing on a regular basis, but you didn't like me telling you what to do if you wanted to converse, and now you're just issuing blanket orders as if someone should for some reason obey.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No, actually, it isn't. You're accusing of posting that question to antagonize you. You are wrong. Get over it. So, you're the one slinging insults. You're the one making accusations. I told the question was not personal. You continue to tell me that's not the case. It requires intent for the question to be personal. There was no such intent, so please kindly tell me how you are not ascribing motivation and intent to me?

Oh, right, I'm not disagreeing with anyone. I made an observation about DFK!'s argument.

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Your question was personal. Whether its personal or not is not determined by your intent; its determined by the nature of the information asked for. You asked for information about my personal behavior, not, as you later tried to claim, information that would apply to any government employee, or even any law enforcement official. Not only is it irrelevant (since no one has alledged any quid pro qo at hand, u in this case) but it is very clearly addressed to me. Your motivations and intent really don't matter.

Your observation about DFK!s argument had nothing to do with the matter, either. We were discussing civil remedy aimed at the government versus the officials, and their efficacy. No one is slinging insults, and if you don't like accusations, then fix your **** behavior. You're going on and on about this when it should be clear to you by now that you will not get an answer. Answer the question yourself and explain how its relevant, if it is. If its hypothetical and you know the answer then just **** well grab your balls and say it like a man.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Diamondeye:

I did not ask anything about your personal behavior. Any statements of yours to the contrary are you ascribing intent and motive to my post that did not exist. You are acting like a petulant child. You felt the question was personal. I clarified that it most certainly was not. You then started accusing me of lying and attempting to psychoanalyze me and my posts. You have continued to do so in this thread, having the audacity to blame me for your posts.

It seems to me that the person intent on telling another poster what they are thinking is you.

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No one is ascribing intent to you, telling you what you are thinking, or any of the rest of this nonsense. You are simply engaging in your typical tactics.

Your question was personal. Period. It doesn't matter if you clarified because that isn't determined by your intent.

No onr is accusing you of lying; your truthfulness isn't even important here. No one is trying to psychoanalyze you either; you're just throwing that out there along with your lines about petulant children and telling people what they think just like you do every time you get into a disagreement. I should start a pool and give odds when you get into a discussion for how many posts it will be until you start slinging the same tired crap.around.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Diamondeye:

The person who shut down discussion was you. Until you recognize that you are capable of being wrong, nothing about this place will ever change.

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Yes, clearly the entire Hellfire revolves around me, and my ability to recognize when I'm being wrong.



You shut down the entire discussion when I told you the terms under which I would discuss things with you. You could have simply rephrased the goddamn question. Since you claim it was hypothetical that should ahve been positively trivial. You didn't. You wanted to lecture, and find fault with me, and then with Arathain and TR. You've been invited repeatedly to go back to the topic, but you just keep right on whining, and going into this crap about being accused of this and insulted that and told what you're thinking the other thing, and blah blah blah.

You have been afforded ample opportunity for adult conversation, yet you continually ignore it because you are bound and determined to make sure that someone else is Wrong On The Internet. I've informed you what my terms for discussion are. You will either follow them or you will be stuck in endless back-and-forth. I'm sure that you know I have a near-endless capacity for pointless argument about nothing.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I do not take freebies from customers in the course of my duties. not even a bottle of water. for me it's because I do not one thing to even be an appearance of a conflict of interest. I am not a police officer however. My mother was and she had the same opinion. Dont take freebies and dont let them get a picture of you smiling in uniform.

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A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. ~ John Stuart Mill

You haven't invited anyone to return to the topic. And I will continue to defend myself against your baseless accusations and belligerence until you apologize for blowing this out of proportion. As soon as I said the question was not personal and came from a standardized test, you should have said ...

"Ok, sorry for thinking it was personal, but I'm still not answering it."

Instead, you've not spent 2 pages trying to tell me my intent and motivations behind posting that question. You shut down conversation. You shut down discussion. And you continue to make baseless accusations, because you can't admit you are wrong. The question isn't personal.

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