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Lonedar,you have a Club 33 membership? :shock: That's awesome...


You really should check out WDW Florida some year... everything I've read says it's a far bigger experience than Disneyland CA.

I've got the following dinner (mostly) reservations at WDW FL this year:

Anandapur Yak & Yeti (Animal Kingdom)
Be Our Guest (Magic Kingdom)
California Grill (Contemporary Resort)
Cinderella's Royal Table (Magic Kingdom)
Coral Reef (Epcot Center)
Crystal Palace (Magic Kingdom, Breakfast)
Hollywood Brown Derby (Hollywood Studios)
'Ohana (Polynesian Resort)
Sanaa (Animal Kingdom Lodge Resort)

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Talya wrote:
Lonedar,you have a Club 33 membership? :shock: That's awesome...


It's an unadvertised perk of my employment. I used to work with the world's biggest Disney fan, and she had a way of finding out these kinds of things. And sharing.


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Lonedar,you have a Club 33 membership? :shock: That's awesome...


It's an unadvertised perk of my employment. I used to work with the world's biggest Disney fan, and she had a way of finding out these kinds of things. And sharing.


That's so freakin' cool.

Fortunately, I don't need to be that jealous. Having access to Club 33 wouldn't get me to head to West Disney instead of Reedy Creek. We plan to hit Anaheim when the kids are old enough to either not come with us, or pay their own way. ;)

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My wife has never been to Disneyanywhere and has lamented this whenever family members plan outings to it. I've maintained that it's just a black hole where money goes to die* if you go just as an adult with other adults. But that it will be completely different once we have kids. I guess she'll finally get her chance to go in the next few years.




* - Ok so it is pretty decent from not only an artistic perspective, but also a fascinating look at unapologetic big business. My last trip to Disney literally made me want to purchase and play Railroad Tycoon (and I did). I can allow the kid inside me to enjoy the place, but when seeing that a 12 ounce bottle of water costs six dollars it violently shakes me awake from that fantasy.

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My wife has never been to Disneyanywhere and has lamented this whenever family members plan outings to it. I've maintained that it's just a black hole where money goes to die* if you go just as an adult with other adults. But that it will be completely different once we have kids. I guess she'll finally get her chance to go in the next few years.




* - Ok so it is pretty decent from not only an artistic perspective, but also a fascinating look at unapologetic big business. My last trip to Disney literally made me want to purchase and play Railroad Tycoon (and I did). I can allow the kid inside me to enjoy the place, but when seeing that a 12 ounce bottle of water costs six dollars it violently shakes me awake from that fantasy.



Numbuk, I'm not going to try to pretend Disney's not another big corporation out to make megabucks. That is their priority, just like every other corporation. But there's more at work there that goes beyond the big billions evil corporation. At the risk of being overly poetic and metaphorical, the spirit of Walter Elias Disney is still right there directing things, and I'm not talking about one of the 999 spooks in the Haunted Mansion.

It's hard to explain if you haven't really looked into the history behind those theme parks and the movies they were based on, and compare to what Disney's doing now and still doing the same. In almost every way that counts, the movie and theme park side of the business not only still follows Walt's design philosophies, they believe them. Walt said once that he didn't make movies for children, but that he made movies for the child in all of us. Disney Pictures has strayed from that idea on occasion, but they've always come back to it. I swear, John Lasseter is, in so many ways, the second coming of Walt, right down to the way he sees his job as his own personal toybox, and its purpose to make us all enjoy ourselves. But it's at the theme parks where this comes through the most. He hated amusement parks...collections of rides with nothing to tie them together. The Disney Parks are not amusement parks. Walt created the concept of the "Theme Park," and he nailed it down pretty solidly, but he knew he could do better. He said Disneyland would never be finished, and it isn't, still to this day. They still improve upon it year after year. The entire branch of Disney engineering named 'Imagineering," no more interesting job exists, I think, to blend art and imagination with engineering skills to try to bring to life the fantastical and impossible. Walt started the Florida Project, as he called it (Walt's brother Roy named it Walt Disney World after Walt's death in tribute to his brother) to fix the things he got wrong in Disneyland that it was too late to fix at that point. To this day they still design attractions based on unrealized sketches Walt had made; Walt was a 20th century Leonardo da Vinci with his fantastic sketches of the impossible. He spent far too much money -- he'd have long since been fired as CEO if he were still alive today, no group of shareholders could have tolerated that level of risktaking for that long, and yet, Disney sinks over 90% of their profits from the Parks back into improving those parks. The pricing scheme, as expensive as it seems, is reasonable. You get value in what you pay for, and if you're going for a long time, the cost isn't all that much.

It's really hard to explain this, but I think I can get my point across best with a fact about the Magic Kingdom and Disneyland. Walter Elias Disney did not want alcohol in his theme parks. He did not feel it was appropriate in a family environment. When a good friend of his, Mr. August Anheuser Busch, Jr. offered him all the land he would need to build another theme park in the St. Louis area, on the sole condition that he had an exclusive on beer sales in the park, Walt turned him down, politely, because he didn't want to sell beer there, at all. This was a place for children.

Now, personally, I believe that few situations make alcohol more useful than a hot Florida afternoon after chasing a couple kids around a crowded theme park all day, but that's not the point. I may disagree with Walt there, but I understand him. Disney corporation today obviously disagrees with Walt. You can get alcohol at Hollywood Studios, Animal Kingdom, Epcot Center, and Disney's California Adventure. You can grab a beer at any of the water parks on Disney property in Florida, and I think you can get a drink at Disneyland Paris, Tokyo, etc. But Walt built Disneyland himself, and he drew up the plans for The Magic Kingdom, himself. The only place in the Disneyland park where alcohol was ever sold during Walt's lifetime was Club 33, which was a private club not open to the public. And to this day, that's still the only place in Disneyland where you can get a drink. You can't get alcohol in The Magic Kingdom at all. Why? Disney obviously doesn't entirely agree with Walt any more than I do. They could make a whole lot more money if they'd sell beer and wine there. Why don't they? They are, after all, just a big corporation there for the money, right?

Like I said, there's more going on there than that. It's about respect. Respect for the man, respect for his vision, and respect for his principles. Even in the rare cases where they disagree, they will do him the respect of honoring his wishes for his original designs. They could make more money selling alcohol, yes, but Walt wouldn't have wanted it. And therefore 47 years after his death, they still honor his wishes. This is mind-boggling to me, and very, very telling. The spirit of Walt lives on at Disney because the people who work and run the company keep it there. You can feel it the entire time you're in those parks. I honestly believe he would be happy if he were brought back to life today and shown how his dream was still running. Would he change some things? Yes. Nobody else is Walter Elias Disney. But they've tried, and you can sense his heart in every brick of those theme parks.

As Khross once told me, "It's a company that derives its profits from reminding other people to just dream every once in a while."

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I probably come across as disliking the parks more than I actually do.

It is not difficult for me to be transported back to a time where monsters lurked in closets, wishes were things that were as constant and indisputably true as gravity, and that fairy tales were written to be in the non-fiction history section of the library. For me, my long term memory is sharp as a tack and I can remember from age 2 (2 years 10 months, so almost 3) forward.

I don't mean that I have memories from that age forward. Well... I guess I do as well. But what I mean is I remember what it was like to be in that state and frame of mind. How I saw the world. How I rationalized things. I remember not just images, but I also remember my thought process for things and my rationalizations.

Example: there's a funny picture of myself when I was about 3 or 4 years old taken with my younger brother. It looks like I'm growling with my eyes shut. I totally wasn't. I remember specifically that moment and I remember I was asked to smile "with teeth" and so I contorted my face into what I thought looked like a "smile with teeth" to everyone else. I wasn't looking in a mirror, so what I imagined my face to look like must have obviously been correct. I also completely thought my eyes were open since they weren't shut all the way, and that if I could still see out of them that surely I must still look normal to everyone else.

It wasn't until after I saw the picture myself that I realized what I think I am doing with my face and what others actually see are two different things.

Anyway, the point is, I completely get why people love Disneyplaces. It makes it so much easier for those adults to do as I do and tap into those moments. And I'm no exception. It is ingeniously crafted with some perfect formulae to do exactly that. And I am grateful for it.

But, I don't know. Much like the lucid dreamers who can turn it off and on at will, maybe sometimes I do the same thing with my inner child. I can easily switch it off and on at will so things like six dollar bottles of water bring out the cynical adult and in the next few seconds I'm back believing that Mickey Mouse is totally real and not some sweaty teenage girl inside a suit.

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Caleria, I know this goes against the grain, because you're in California, but try to take the time to head east to WDW the next time you go. Walt bought and planned WDW because he didn't have room in Anaheim to make everything he wanted to make. I can only go by what I've read, but apparently, Disneyland, while just as well managed and just as attentive to their guests, cannot begin to compare to the experience offered in Orlando.


I've been to both CA and Orlando many times. I actually prefer DL because the one park has the best of the attractions, instead of having to park hop. I preferred the old Fantasmic show in DL because it was right on the "river" in the park. And it has Club 33*. I've also gotten to hit HQ and the studios in CA, and ride up front on the train with the engineers. So, yeah, I have a soft spot for DL. (I have yet to go to DCA.)

But I'll be at WDW in Feb. again. I will enjoy it, certainly.

* Yes, I've been to Club 33. No, I'm not a member.

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Caleria, I know this goes against the grain, because you're in California, but try to take the time to head east to WDW the next time you go. Walt bought and planned WDW because he didn't have room in Anaheim to make everything he wanted to make. I can only go by what I've read, but apparently, Disneyland, while just as well managed and just as attentive to their guests, cannot begin to compare to the experience offered in Orlando.


I've been to both CA and Orlando many times. I actually prefer DL because the one park has the best of the attractions, instead of having to park hop. I preferred the old Fantasmic show in DL because it was right on the "river" in the park. And it has Club 33*. I've also gotten to hit HQ and the studios in CA, and ride up front on the train with the engineers. So, yeah, I have a soft spot for DL. (I have yet to go to DCA.)

But I'll be at WDW in Feb. again. I will enjoy it, certainly.

* Yes, I've been to Club 33. No, I'm not a member.



All the parks (with the possible exception of Animal Kingdom if crowd levels are low) in WDW are too big to see in a day, anyway. Park-hopping is not a problem. You can spend a full week at WDW and not see everything...

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Serienya wrote:
But I'll be at WDW in Feb. again. I will enjoy it, certainly.


How'd this go, by the way?

We're planning on going back one more time before my son is in high school, probably late 2015 or early 2016.

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