The Glade 4.0

Nobody expects the Holy Inquisition!

When the **** did you become Minister of Truth?

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When Elmo began making idiotic claims about how guns can be used in situations like this based on absolutely nothing. He's demonstrated that; it has nothing to do with me being Minister of Truth. He's just spouting off ignorant bullshit because it fits his worldview, not because it actually has any merit that he's actually demonstrated.

As for you, you can pretty much just **** right off. You have nothing worthwhile to say, and you do not tell anyone what they can and cannot say.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Based on the evidence of how guns have been used in situations like this including this exact situation where guns were used to stop the aggressor - but yeah sure just act like you do and further marginalize your input on topics DE - same as Monte did.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Yes, the inevitable "I can't win, so I'll make a Monte comparison" tactic. You might want to be careful with that ****, seeing as he's allowed back on the board but not in here; that could be viewed as rather underhanded.

In point of fact, you don't have any such evidence of past situations like this (you have so far, utterly failed to cite anything relevant), and just showing "but guns were used to stop the aggressor!" in some situation or other does not mean they would help in a situation like this, with a mobile shooter inside a secure facility.

I've already explained why. You are just repeating "but someone could stop him!". You're wrong. That's all there is to it. It's been explained why and you are utterly unable to respond with anything that actually constitutes a counter-argument, mainly because you know nothing of the subject. You're the one pretending target identification "isn't hard" in a chaotic situation. I have this sneaking suspicion that the only way you would believe me is if you got your *** shot trying to do this yourself.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

You're ignoring the point that there were guns in the facility. This was not a gun-free zone. People still died.

I'm not ignoring it. I am pointing out that the only thing that stopped him was guns and the time it took for those guns to reach him given the rarity of guns at the facility since they are restricted to security only.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Obviously. That in no way establishes that other people having guns would have stopped him A) sooner and B) without blue-on-blue incidents. In point of fact, he managed to get extra guns from security people he shot. If untrained people had guns as well, that could quite easily have been even more guns he picked up.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Diamondeye:

You are the poster telling other posters what they can and cannot think. Those are your words; the post is yours. I didn't write it; I didn't type it; I didn't log into your computer and put it on the internet.

You flat out told Elmarnieh he had no business having or expressing an opinion on something. You made that declaration. So, again, I ask you ...

When did you become the Minister of Truth? What affords you the authority to dictate to this community when and where it's members may participate, what they can say, and what opinions they're qualified to have?

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No one said anything of the sort. I said he has no business having an opinion. This is becuase he is expressing one based on nothing more than his desire for people carrying guns to solve the problem. There is no other reason for that viewpoint. A wiser man would have simply kept his mouth shut when confronted with reality.

So no, no one told him ha can't think it, just that he shouldn't bother expressing it since it's so incredibly foolish and silly.

Since you, however, have been acting as the Minister of Truth around here for years, you can pretty much shut the **** up, though. You don't get to tll me those things. you don't have privilege to tell me what's appropriate for me to say to anyone else. Get back in your place, and remember you're not special compared to anyone else here. your outrage here is just an example of your impotent raging that you can't tell everyone else 3what and how to think.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Diamondeye:

I do so love it when you tell me my state of mind. I'm curious, though, how exactly do you determine that I am "raging"? Or, for that matter, how do you know I am "outraged"? Perhaps, if you don't mind, you would kindly explain to all of us exactly how you extracted my intent, state of matter, and level of anger, displeasure, or otherwise volatile dislike of something you've posted? Oh, and the extremity thereof?

I have asked you questions. I have asked why you believe you can tell Elmo not to have an opinion. I have asked you under what authority do you get to determine who can have what opinions.

Your accusations and ad hominems aside, I would really love to know under what pretense you deign tell me to "get in my place"? I make no assumptions about my "privilege" or "place" at these forums. I am another member of this community; just like you. I ask questions. I make posts. I state opinions and facts. I disagree with people. I agree with people.

Right now, I'm asking you questions.

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I love it when you pretend people don't have the ability to take emotional cues.



No one cares. You're not entiteld to any answers. I'm not going to answer any of your questions, and you're going to sit there and take it. I'll deal with Elmo how I damn well please, and you can just stew.



Exactly. You are another member of this community. You are in no way privileged to tell me that I can't tell Elmo he shouldn't be expressing an opinion when that opinion is so obviously entirely a product of his viewpoint; Elmo can tell me himself if he wants. You are in no position to tell me I can't make inferences about a person's viewpoints or thoughts based on their behavior. I can. You do the same thing all the time, and even if you didn't, your endless outrage at that is just sheer crap. Your behavior is that of someone who thinks he holds special standing to tell others when they are out of line in saying something. You're not. Your disapproval of my behavior is meaningless. You lack any standing or moral authority to tell me how I should talk to anyone.

As for asking me questions, you have sacrificed any privilege to do so. You are not entitled to answers, and will get none. When your behavior indicates that you are ready to start behaving as if you were a regular member of the community, then you might get answers again. You were offered an olive branch, and all I got in return was more lecturing and braggadocio about how much you know about this that and the other subject - both in public and in private. You are getting exactly the reactions you have earned, Khross.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Posted without comment...

Not sure what his level of training is, but he did exhibit some skill in movement there.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

He obviously learned it from video games. I mean, that's exactly what I see in all the cutscenes.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

Oh, absolutely. That's what video games are all about!

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

That is impossible. He would need 85 attachments to a picatinny rail in order to be effective dontchaknow.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville