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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:13 pm 
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Surprised no one's brought this up yet.

http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/


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What is the purpose of this? Steam can replace Windows, or.. what?

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All the OS manufacturers are making walled garden marketplaces.

My best analysis is that Valve figured it better present an entry into that market lest a move to exclude them from their new competitors's OSes leave them high and dry.

Until such time, I'm not particularly interested, though it's good, I suppose, to know that Valve's at least laying the groundwork (providing an option to standardize as they promote non-Windows platforms) in case Microsoft goes all delusionally megalomaniacal...

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Considering how much I hate Windows 8 and all I use my PC for is gaming and internet browsing, I hope this becomes a good alternative to Windows for me. Going to wait and see, of course...but it would be nice to be able to buy a new PC in the future and knock at least $100 off the price for not having to buy Windows.

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
All the OS manufacturers are making walled garden marketplaces.

My best analysis is that Valve figured it better present an entry into that market lest a move to exclude them from their new competitors's OSes leave them high and dry.

Until such time, I'm not particularly interested, though it's good, I suppose, to know that Valve's at least laying the groundwork (providing an option to standardize as they promote non-Windows platforms) in case Microsoft goes all delusionally megalomaniacal...


say what now? what's a "walled garden marketplace"? :psyduck:

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Kaffis Mark V wrote:
All the OS manufacturers are making walled garden marketplaces.

My best analysis is that Valve figured it better present an entry into that market lest a move to exclude them from their new competitors's OSes leave them high and dry.

Until such time, I'm not particularly interested, though it's good, I suppose, to know that Valve's at least laying the groundwork (providing an option to standardize as they promote non-Windows platforms) in case Microsoft goes all delusionally megalomaniacal...


say what now? what's a "walled garden marketplace"? :psyduck:


The Apple App Store. For example.

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I don't see this as of personal interest. The PC I have works on my TV just fine, with windows 8 and can play games both steam and otherwise that aren't of the Metro persuasion (Metrosexual?)

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I don't think this is meant to replace Windows. It's meant as an OS for media center PCs. The main advantage it has is streaming your games from your more powerful desktop to your TV. It's also probably going to be the OS for the Steam Box when that's announced later this week.

I'm lucky in that my TV downstairs is directly below my computer upstairs, so I just have an HDMI cable running down the wall and a few USB extensions as well. But later when I move and don't have as convenient of a setup, I can see this being useful.


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Amanar wrote:
I don't think this is meant to replace Windows. It's meant as an OS for media center PCs. The main advantage it has is streaming your games from your more powerful desktop to your TV. It's also probably going to be the OS for the Steam Box when that's announced later this week.

I'm lucky in that my TV downstairs is directly below my computer upstairs, so I just have an HDMI cable running down the wall and a few USB extensions as well. But later when I move and don't have as convenient of a setup, I can see this being useful.


Nah, according to Gaben's recent comments, he thoroughly believes Windows 8 and it's closed app store is the devil, and that the future of gaming is linux. Honestly, I'm just glad there's a megacorp throwing some serious money behind a free linux-based OS, and using all of their connections to make that happen. Would be nice to see some real support, and steam definitely has the industry clout. Their game-streaming is a stopgap because there's not enough games linux native right now, but I think that will change with the release of steamOS, and there might be some real AAA support (that will translate into global linux support naturally).

Also, their message about getting streaming services working makes me hopeful, that was one of the things linux is really lacking due to all the DRM bullshit.


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Because you can only install applications through the Microsoft store... Oh, except that's complete bullshit. Gabe has been on this mission since windows 8 was first announced and he's just as full of **** now as he was then.


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Nah, according to Gaben's recent comments, he thoroughly believes Windows 8 and it's closed app store is the devil


This mind boggling. Either he is a complete idiot, or... well.. i dunno.. i'm going with complete idiot...


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The concerns are valid, if still a bit paranoid.

If Microsoft gains traction with their Metro store, Windows 9 could remove non-Metro compatibility, and if nothing else was ready and supported, distribution platforms for PC software would be instantly gutted and closed out of business. Is this likely? At this moment, no. Microsoft's Metro store doesn't have that kind of developer penetration, yet, for such a move to succeed and seem benign enough to the end user to outweigh the backlash.

But I used the word "yet" in there.

Even without going that paranoid, Microsoft's gone through lawsuit after lawsuit where it's been determined that pre-installing their own non-OS related **** has constituted an unfair advantage over competitors, but after the 3-year legal proceedings have finished, the damage has already been done, so Microsoft shrugs, pays a trivial fine, and steps over the corpses of Netscape, Yahoo!, etc. into a 1st or 2nd marketshare with a half-hearted implementation of a notice that there are other choices out there, if you want to click through their inconvenient and slow wizard.

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Alleged "leak" as to where this is all going:

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Yep. I'm totally excited about the prospect of this as a competitor to windows, and I really hope they take it 2 directions, both as a TV-enabled shell and a full linux OS that can be used for everything. I think Microsoft is driving the wrong way down the highway, and I would like to get off please.


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I've been saying for the past 20 years that the only reason my PC has a Microsoft OS on it is because that's where all the games are. If someone can offer me a true alternative where the available library, ease of use, and framerates won't suffer then I am all over that.

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Following the SteamOS announcement on Monday, time has been ticking away, as it has a tendency to do, and we now find ourselves on the farside of Valve’s second announcement. It’s a Steam-powered Box! A group of them, to be more precise. And, boy, am I glad it is, because I wrote this pre-jump section of the post an hour ago, having spent the day polishing my crystal ball. If, like Brad Pitt, you want to know what’s in the frickin’ box, join me below for a brief tour.

Everytime I write SteamOS, I imagine a terrible breakfast cereal.

Anyway, on with the show.

So, what is in the box? We don’t actually know yet because there will be several to choose from.

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Entertainment is not a one-size-fits-all world. We want you to be able to choose the hardware that makes sense for you, so we are working with multiple partners to bring a variety of Steam gaming machines to market during 2014, all of them running SteamOS.


Three hundred lucky people will get to fight in the shade test out prototype versions of the Steam Machine and can do so by following the instructions at Valve’s new page.

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While these products are still in development, we need your help. As always, we believe the best way to ensure that the right products are getting made is to let people try them out and then make changes as we go. We have designed a high-performance prototype that’s optimized for gaming, for the living room, and for Steam. Of course, it’s also completely upgradable and open.


To be in with a chance, you’ll need to follow the instructions before October 25th.

Exciting? I reckon it is. But is it a PC? What’s inside?

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We’ll tell you more about it soon. Remember, there will ultimately be several boxes to choose from, with an array of specifications, price, and performance.


Thanks! I guess it’s locked down to SteamOS though and you’ll arrest me if I fiddle with it in any way? Oh. There’s a FAQ question for that.

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Can I hack this box? Run another OS? Change the hardware? Install my own software? Use it to build a robot?

Sure.


Prototypes will ship this year and the Machines themselves, with a range of specs and from a range of manufacturers, will be released from 2014 onwards. One of those, from what I can gather, will be based on the prototype and built by Valve themselves.

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We’re conducting a beta of the overall Steam living-room experience, so we needed to build prototype hardware on which to run tests. At Valve we always rely on real-world testing as part of our design process. The specific machine we’re testing is designed for users who want the most control possible over their hardware. Other boxes will optimize for size, price, quietness, or other factors.


Interesting times. Friday’s announcement, the final of the batch, may well be to do with input devices rather than bundled games.

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…Steam and SteamOS work well with gamepads, too. Stay tuned, though – we have some more to say very soon on the topic of input.


Virtual reality? Or maybe motion control is back!

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Yeah I was just reading that. I would very much like to see an alternative to Sony and Microsoft as neither has really wowed me or interested me with their new stuff.

If they can get developers on board, this could be a major shake-up of the industry. And I am fine with that. The consumers benefit most when a major war is raging.

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I don't see SteamOS offering any features above or beyond what Xbox One or PS4 offer. What do you expect them to do that will wow you when MS and Sony haven't? The games will continue being made by the same people that have been making them for decades so nothing is gonna change on the gaming front. What console features do you think Steam will implement that MS and Sony haven't already offered or thought of?


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I don't see SteamOS offering any features above or beyond what Xbox One or PS4 offer. What do you expect them to do that will wow you when MS and Sony haven't? The games will continue being made by the same people that have been making them for decades so nothing is gonna change on the gaming front. What console features do you think Steam will implement that MS and Sony haven't already offered or thought of?

A fragmented hardware platform.

That fits into diverse niches depending on the users' tastes.

And is accommodating of 3rd party peripherals and I/O devices as they come out...

Open platform.

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Yeah the gist of what I've read is that the OS is free. Which means you can supply your own hardware (with a not-too-difficult-to-achieve minimum spec). Or you can purchase a pre-built box with it already loaded. Essentially, it's taking the middle man out of the equation when it comes to consumers playing games. If it works the way I hope it does, it will be a massive nuclear strike to the industry.

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Supporting new peripherals and stuff is great but then you just run into the problem that very few developers are going to bother supporting completely optional third party hardware.

If the only other benefits are, "you can make your own box!1" well, who gives a crap because I can already do that with a regular PC and Steam's TV mode.

Open platform, not relying on DX, all that stuff is great for developers. What will make me want to own this as a consumer? What can I do with it that isn't already possible?


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Supporting new peripherals and stuff is great but then you just run into the problem that very few developers are going to bother supporting completely optional third party hardware.

If the only other benefits are, "you can make your own box!1" well, who gives a crap because I can already do that with a regular PC and Steam's TV mode.

Open platform, not relying on DX, all that stuff is great for developers. What will make me want to own this as a consumer? What can I do with it that isn't already possible?


Get it for free, legitimately. Stream your pc games to your tv.

Personally, for me the problem is always going to be sharing. Right now my consoles are used while I'm playing pc games. If the family sharing works like it reads, only one person can be logged in on any given location. Your kid can't play a steam box game while you play pc. That's a non-starter right out of the gate.


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Yeah, my give a **** o meter isn't even registering when I run this past it.

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Yeah, my give a **** o meter isn't even registering when I run this past it.


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