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(CNN) -- The 4-year-old girl at the center of a lengthy, high-profile custody dispute between her Native American father and her adoptive parents has been returned to the couple, an attorney for the biological father said Monday.

Earlier in the day, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ruled Dusten Brown, the girl's father, must return the girl, named Veronica, to Matt and Melanie Capobianco, who live in South Carolina.

The Capobiancos adopted Veronica at birth in 2009 and have been involved in a custody battle since then with Brown, who lives in Oklahoma.

According to an earlier written statement from the family after the court announcement, their "long legal nightmare" is over.
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"Matt and Melanie cannot wait to bring Veronica home and begin the healing process as a reunited family," the statement said.

Brown is a registered member of the Cherokee tribe and invoked the Indian Child Welfare Act to gain custody of Veronica.

His attorney, Clark Brewster, said Brown handed Veronica over Monday night.

The Cherokee Nation Attorney General also issued a statement late Monday night in response to the news, praising Brown for the "peaceful and dignified" transfer of Veronica to her adoptive parents, and saying the 4-year-old would "always be a Cherokee citizen."

"Although this is not something any parent should ever have to do, we could not be more proud of the dignity and courage with which [Brown] carried himself," the statement read.

A family court judge had ruled in Brown's favor in late 2011, and he took his daughter to Oklahoma. The Capobiancos had fought since to have Veronica returned, arguing federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent.

In June, a divided U.S. Supreme Court sided with the Capobiancos, who are white, but Brown had refused to hand over the child.


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what is your objection?


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I'd imagine it is: "federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent."


And they won on that.

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That definitely is a problem, although it also ended up being overturned.

Unfortunately the story leaves out the entire circumstances leading to the adoption in the first place, making it hard to really make a good assessment of it.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
I'd imagine it is: "federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent."


I suspect that what was on the birth certificate also has a fair amount to do with it.


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Supposedly the mother gave the baby up for adoption and the father immediately filed for custody - was denied.


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From what I recall of the case, the child was immediatly given up for adoption, and the father declined custody. Several years later he sued for custody. Ordinarily he'd have no leg to stand on, but for a somewhat obscure law that gave children who's biological parents were Native American some form of 'trump card' that overrode normal custody laws.

The court ruled that in this case, the best interest of the child were that she would remain with her adopted parents.


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The birth father, Dusten Brown, considers himself Cherokee. The birth mother, Christy Maldonado, is of Hispanic heritage. Maldonado got pregnant while engaged to Brown, but subsequently broke off the engagement. Brown refused to support her or the child and eventually texted Maldonado that he was giving up his parental rights. He says he thought he was turning over his rights to Maldonado and therefore was angry to learn, four months after the birth, that she had put the child up for adoption. He then filed an objection in court and sought custody.

Two years later, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that while Brown would have had no rights under state law, the Indian Child Welfare Act trumped state law. The court ordered the adoptive parents to turn the little girl, by then 2 years old, over to Brown.


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http://www.npr.org/2013/04/16/177507503/supreme-court-case-tests-indian-child-welfare-act

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The birth father, Dusten Brown, considers himself Cherokee. The birth mother, Christy Maldonado, is of Hispanic heritage. Maldonado got pregnant while engaged to Brown, but subsequently broke off the engagement. Brown refused to support her or the child and eventually texted Maldonado that he was giving up his parental rights. He says he thought he was turning over his rights to Maldonado and therefore was angry to learn, four months after the birth, that she had put the child up for adoption. He then filed an objection in court and sought custody.

Two years later, the South Carolina Supreme Court ruled that while Brown would have had no rights under state law, the Indian Child Welfare Act trumped state law. The court ordered the adoptive parents to turn the little girl, by then 2 years old, over to Brown.


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With his ex-fiancee having cut off contact with him, Brown didn't know about the adoption until Veronica had been out of the state for four months, Brewster said.

He began fighting the adoption as soon as he found out about it, Brewster said.


A text message is not a legal document, and can be taken out of context, particularly in a relationship spat. He began fighting for custody when she was FOUR MONTHS OLD. It is very clear he does not want her adopted.


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As far as I'm concerned if you walk away from your parenting duties once, you're not fit to be a parent. Especially for 4 months.

Parenting is a JOB. No job in the world lets you abdicate all responsibilities for said job, and then pick it back up as if nothing happened.


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arguing federal law does not define an unwed biological father as a parent.

Back to this, the originally bolded statement... so then a person could, if they wanted to be a douche bag about it fight child support and THIS CASE would set legal precedent for this to be a valid concern...

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So just to be clear, we're taking the news report of "what the parents used as their argument" and worrying about it setting precedent? I remember reading the supreme court decision on this case, and I don't remember the unwed part being brought up, although that was a few months ago.

If you link any of the court decisions and they cite it as precedent, I'd consider that a valid worry. A news article saying what the parents (not the parents lawyers) were arguing does not, in fact, set precedent.

And yes, I'd say walking away from your pregnant fiance and saying you don't want the child, only to change your mind when you find out it was given up for adoption, doesn't argue good parenting.

You don't want her, but you don't want someone else to have her is what it sounds like to me.

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I went back and read more details of the case, as originally I had only really heard an NPR article on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoptive_C ... _Baby_Girl

From what I can read, no where in the decision is the implication that an unwed biological father is not a parent.

The case is not so cut and dry of course, and the details don't make Brown out to be the total bad guy either. he DID sign away his parental rights, but then immediately changed his mind. (or as the courts indicate, he signed the forms for adoption thinking it was just giving away his parental rights)


The issue, in at least in some justices eyes, seemed to be if the federal ICWA law trumps state law. (A proposition I'm surprised to hear some of you support, given this boards rabid opposition to federal government overreach.)

After reading more of the details of the case, I'm not sure where I come down, but I think we have to go with 'best interest of the child' -in this case the parents she had known


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I haven't followed this closely, and have not read all of the linked material...

How was she able to put the child up for adoption without the biological fathers knowledge consent ?

If the law allowed for this to happen, then it should prevent him from reversing or invalidating the adoption.


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How was she able to put the child up for adoption without the biological fathers knowledge consent ?


I comes down to the birth certificate. If they aren't entered as the father there, they basically don't have rights for the most part.

Afraid I don't have a lot of sympathy for the guy in how this turned out.


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He actually signed the papers for the adoption/consent and submitted them. He claims he didn't know what he was signing and thought he was just relinquishing rights to being a parent so the mother had full custody. He quickly contacted a local judge and tried to stop the process then. (at this point he hadn't paid child support for 4 months, and had not seen the child, though part of that was the mother's doing)

The short version as I understand it:

They were dating/engaged. She got pregnant. He demanded they marry immediately. She refused. He refused to support her or the child if she wouldn't marry him. They stopped seeing each other. after the child was born she submitted paperwork for adoption. South Carolina couple tried to adopt, but failed to notify court child was Cherokee. Court sent information to wrong person. He never appeared in court. Eventually he got paperwork and signed it and submitted, then tried to retract. South Carolina couple ended up with child, and had custody for 2 years (man was in basic training/deployment) so was allowed to file late because of the rules for military personnel on deployment. He tried to get the child back at this point using a federal law enacted in 1978 to help keep native american children from being adopted off reservation. South Carolina laws are in conflict with the federal law as to the correct resolution of the case.


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He actually signed the papers for the adoption/consent and submitted them.


If that's true, He shouldn't have a legal leg. Nothing else matters. If you didn't understand, you shouldn't have signed.

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The legal leg he had is a rather old law dating from when child services was actively trying to push native american children to "white" families.

It allowed a long window for those families to fight to get them back.

Weak leg, but that's why he had a leg to fight in the first place.

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If you really want to understand what's going on in this case, Radiolab had a really good podcast about it:

http://www.radiolab.org/story/295210-adoptive-couple-v-baby-girl/

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After reading more of the details of the case, I'm not sure where I come down, but I think we have to go with 'best interest of the child' -in this case the parents she had known


Which is him. He's had her from age 2-4. They had her from 4mo to 2.

She doesn't remember her adoptive parents. And he, having had her for 2 years, has to give her up. Unbearable.

I know it's a complicated case, but the DEFAULT ruling should be to the parent in all cases. The hurdle for taking a child away from a parent should be ENORMOUS.


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Saying something should be the "default" ruling(especially without giving a reason why it should be) doesn't mean anything. Courts only have a "default" ruling when one side or the other essentially presents no case or doesn't show up. Each case is considered on its own merits.

Saying the burden for adoptive parents should be "enormous" doesn't mean much either. Why? How do we know they didn't already meet an "enormous" burden?

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Saying something should be the "default" ruling(especially without giving a reason why it should be) doesn't mean anything. Courts only have a "default" ruling when one side or the other essentially presents no case or doesn't show up. Each case is considered on its own merits.

Saying the burden for adoptive parents should be "enormous" doesn't mean much either. Why? How do we know they didn't already meet an "enormous" burden?


Why? Seriously? Do I seriously need to explain why removing a child from a parent should not be done lightly?


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Saying something should be the "default" ruling(especially without giving a reason why it should be) doesn't mean anything. Courts only have a "default" ruling when one side or the other essentially presents no case or doesn't show up. Each case is considered on its own merits.

Saying the burden for adoptive parents should be "enormous" doesn't mean much either. Why? How do we know they didn't already meet an "enormous" burden?


Why? Seriously? Do I seriously need to explain why removing a child from a parent should not be done lightly?


No, but we're talking about cases where the removal has already been done, and in which the parent has (arguably) agreed to give up their parental rights. We're not talking about a kid being "removed" from the parent where the parent has unarguably been contesting that removal the entire time (i.e. CPS shows up and takes the kid-type affairs).

I don't really see where anything was done "lightly" by anyone in this case. I am not quite sure how I feel about the decision one way or the other. I can see where mistakes were made on both sides, but I don't see that anything was done lightly at all.

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No, but we're talking about cases where the removal has already been done,


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and in which the parent has (arguably) agreed to give up their parental rights.


Also in dispute.

This is pretty much the point of the case. Yes, this appears to be resolved now, but these issues are the crux of the dispute.

And no, I don't think this case was handled lightly. 4 years and the supreme court... no. However, I was speaking in more general terms. The burden for removing a child from his or her parents should be very high (don't you agree?). In this case, as you say, there are errors and issues on both sides. The child has been with the father for the last 2 years. A previous ruling sided with him. It seems... this should be borderline insurmountable for the adoptive parents, who should have a higher bar to clear.


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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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No, but we're talking about cases where the removal has already been done,


In dispute


The facts are quite clear that the child was with the adoptive parents for almost 2 years. There was definitely a removal of sorts, then an un-removal. It is most clearly not in dispute that a removal of a sort occurred.

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and in which the parent has (arguably) agreed to give up their parental rights.


Also in dispute.


What did you think "arguably" was referring to, exactly? Is there a reason you find it necessary to argue by saying exactly what I just said?

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This is pretty much the point of the case. Yes, this appears to be resolved now, but these issues are the crux of the dispute.

And no, I don't think this case was handled lightly. 4 years and the supreme court... no. However, I was speaking in more general terms. The burden for removing a child from his or her parents should be very high (don't you agree?). In this case, as you say, there are errors and issues on both sides. The child has been with the father for the last 2 years. A previous ruling sided with him. It seems... this should be borderline insurmountable for the adoptive parents, who should have a higher bar to clear.


Why? Why are adoptive parents less important than natural ones? Adoptive parents already have a high burden to prove fitness to adopt when there is no contest whatsoever by the natural parents. That's just silly.

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