The Glade 4.0

I hope it gets resolved soon, because I won't get payed past December if it doesn't.

NSF funding is one of the things deemed "non-essential", and I'm on a research fellowship. Thankfully, I get 4 month lump sums that will last a few more months, but past that and I'm unpaid labor.

Also, anyone with grant renewals due now can't renew them, as the online system that allows for submissions isn't considered essential, and has been shut down. NSF isn't extending deadlines, however, so if it's not up by the time your renewal deadline expires, you lose it either way.

Same with applications for new grants, fellowships, etc. Really sucks for anyone in higher ed trying to pay their employees atm.

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Darksiege: You are not a god damned vulcan homie.

Yeah, I mean we started as monkeys and now explore beyond the atmosphere. The next rational step it backwards to flinging poo.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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All those issues will be retroactively solved, I suspect. And it won't last until December.

Are you talking about FHA? Or something else? CNN says FHA will still do their thing during the shutdown.

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Significantly fewer than that percentage are furloughed.



Economic outcomes following the Clinton-era shutdowns were net-positive.



I don't believe the former should exist, so while I'm sorry for your pains I'm not sorry it has ceased.

As to the latter, that's quite unfortunate. Can they approach Wounded Warrior or something for short-term relief?

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

The system is broken, trying to place the blame on the "greedy" republicans, the "ineffectual" democrats, blaming it on Bush or Obama... It is all falling prey to what those in power want. They want people so divided on an imaginary line that no one can really see they are all the same. If you go to look up the platform the parties are supposed to espouse, they have both lost their way.

I really do love my country, we enjoy more freedoms than most other nations, we have the most flexible piece of government rules that jave been written, but we have hit a point where the people being defended are petty, and Most of the ruling class have become so much a part of the system that there is no hope for them.

They may not have all started as bad people, but they have forgotten that they are not supposed to be lords and rulers, but servants to the people; taking their turn to make the country better.

these closures are ALWAYS an exaggerated political stunt. 95-96, 2011, 2013 and I am certain any before those. We should really get to renaming these political parties based on what they (the politicians) really are... Democrap and Repugnican. The people I know who affiliate with those parties tend to be more along a consistent basis... the Republicans seem to be more in favor of doing for yourself (and stay away from my stuff), and the democrats generally tend me to more everyone should have a fair share kind of people. But the politicians... not so much

for a bit of perspective...

Government Shutdown

and from that link:


Of course all of those douche bags in Senate, the USC and El Presidente (regardless of party) would be getting paid anyway.

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Traveller, Calé, Whisperer
Lead me not into temptation; for I know a shortcut

Can you elaborate a bit on that?

Nope. But I can source it!

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/29/u-s-e ... -shutdown/

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

So far five friends have noted they are on budget stalemate furlough, here in Sacramento. There are probably others that I don't know have nonessential federal government jobs.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

The noise I hear about economic effects are overblown imo. Where does the money the .gov spends into the economy come from? The private sector. They take out more than they put back in. Gov spending is not an engine for economic boomtown.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Working for free until further notice. Can't take sick leave either, so I'll be chasing aliens with bronchitis. (As in I have bronchitis, not the aliens.)

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Why are you working for free? I would think, No payee, no workee.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Ugh, this is so phenomenally stupid I'm having a hard time believing he actually said it. Providing 50 million people with health insurance is "far less" of an effect than a few days of government shutdown?

Ah, thanks. Looks like I misinterpreted your initial comment. I thought you were saying that the economic effects of the Clinton-era shutdowns were themselves net-positive, not simply that economic indicators continued to improve despite the shutdowns. In short, I thought you were claiming causation, not just correlation.

Na, just "following" not "caused by" or "subsequent to."

In other words, the fiscal world didn't end last time. Probably won't end this time.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Because I fall under "essential". Its not that I wont ever get paid, just until a deal is reached, but in the short term its going to essentially be free work unless they figure something out by a week from Saturday.

All our nonessential civilian workers are home, as are the civilian miltechs at my reserve unit. Drill might be postponed as well.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

No man, the GOP are terrorists. They just flew a paper air plane into the Washington Monument.

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"...the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

No pay and being sick means you just don't show up to work. What are they going to do fire you and then you won't get paid?

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

My sister-in-law works at NASA Glenn here in Cleveland and they are indefinitely furloughed

They have two little boys (1 and 3) and a new house in the neighborhood out there. Very sad stuff this business.

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I hope it lasts long enough that most of the furloughed people get jobs in the private market and the systems they are absent of cannot be restored to functionality for a long enough period that they are defunded permanantly.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

All those private sector rocket science jobs! Yeah! *******.

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There is a reason I stopped majoring in Astronomy and Physics. I understood the real world career choices I would have and I rejected their conditions.

BTW - there are private sector rocket science jobs. They can compete with others for the supply of those jobs - just like everyone else in the private sector does for their jobs. You seem to think that they have some magical right to have a job - they don't, I don't, no one does. Let alone to have it paid for by holding a gun to the heads of other people in order to pay for that job. If I were more foolish in college I could have very well ended up in their position at the moment. You seem to also think that because someone has a job in one field that they should never have to change fields - that isn't how life works. Adapt or die.

Oh and calling me names just indicates you're either too emotional to come up with a logical reply or you don't have one because there isn't one.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

USAA is offering no-interest short-term loans in the case that members don't get paid due to the shutdown.

(I f'ing love USAA.)

My bf is still working. His project is fully funded, so not subject to this. (Thankfully. He was already furloughed once this year.)

But I worry about the small businesses that rely on federal employees as their customers (e.g., restaurants and shops in DC), the service industry that caters to tourists at the natl parks, and companies that supply goods & services to the govt directly. This will hit them hard if it lasts too long.

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?

And you seem to think that every job that people want done can be monetized and issues of diffuse benefits and collective action problems can be magically wished away.