The Glade 4.0

Two Words: Fair Tax

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

The difference is that the ACA is law and no matter how unpopular, it's not directly part of the govt funding issue. Refusing to move forward with other legislation until you undo a already-made-law is the issue.

From a friends FB post.

So, Imagine that the company you work for held a poll, and asked everyone if they thought it would be a good idea to put a soda machine in the break room. The poll came back, and the majority of your colleagues said "Yes", indicating that they would like a soda machine. Some said no, but the majority said yes. So, a week later, there's a soda machine. Now imagine that Frank in accounting voted against the soda machine. He has a strong hatred for caffeinated soft drinks, thinks they are bad you you, whatever. He campaigns throughout the office to get the machine removed. Well, management decides "OK, we'll ask again" and again, the majority of people say "Yes, lets keep the soda machine." Frank continues to campaign, and management continues to ask the employees, and every time, the answer is in favor of the soda machine. This happens, lets say... 35 times. Eventually, Frank says "OK, I'M NOT PROCESSING PAYROLL ANYMORE UNTIL THE SODA MACHINE IS REMOVED", so nobody will get paid unless management removes the machine. What should we do???

Answer: Fire Frank and get someone who will do the **** job.

Bonus: Frank tells everyone that he was willing to "Negotiate", to come to a solution where everyone got their payroll checks, but only so long as that negotiation capitulated to his demand to remove the soda machine.

Frank is a **** jackass.

The story would be more closely aligned with ACA if Frank had to pay for part of the soda machine out of his own pay. Bonus points would have been awarded if it had included facts like how the guys in the mail room got free soda, and how the bosses got champagne.

Extra bonus points if there was something showing how the company was bleeding red ink and there had been several RIFs over the last 5 years.

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In time, this too shall pass.

Not to mention if the soda machine was only voted in by the board, and the rest of the company split like 55-45% against in the first place.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

The Affordable Care Act is not what anyone in this country wanted. It was foisted upon us by a demagogue and his cult of personality. If you think that your friend's soda machine analogy is appropriate for the current situation, you're sorely mistaken, Aizle.

The Republicans and Democrats should both be shutting down the government. Non-essential employees should be furloughed. And this country should take a fantastically long look in the mirror. We need to get our house in order, and I don't mean Boehner and his cronies. I mean our society. The first thing that needs fixing is our government. Start with the President and fire the rest.

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First thing that needs fixing are people , but yeah. If the people get their thinking right, the electorate will follow. As I've said before the politicians represent the electorate. If they are a bunch of demagogues it's because the people have itching ears and don't want to look too deeply at theirselves and own their issues.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

Unfortunately, this is what you get when you compromise. For example, I bet pretty much nobody is happy with the current state of gun control in the country, either.

We have one group of people that believe healthcare is a basic human right, that for-profit healthcare is highly immoral, and that the government is obligated to take over. As liberal as you might think I am, my position on health care is pretty close to center. You know how many forums I post on where I get a consensus of "Stop murdering poor people with your **** deficit hawking" when I try to point out just how much Medicare costs? This faction does not CARE how much it costs, they are perfectly fine with a $5 trillion annual deficit if that is what it costs to provide #1 healthcare to everyone.

On the other hand, you have a different group of people that abhor any kind of healthcare assistance, see EMTALA as a form of slavery, and see poor/unhealthy people dying of easily treated conditions as a positive for society. We're better off without all that surplus population that couldn't save money or take better care of themselves!

Obamacare is what you're going to get when you try to reconcile these two groups.

How is a bill that passed without a single Republican vote a "compromise?" There was no compromise, no debate. The bill was pulled out of someone's drawer, had to "passed so we can see what's in it," and then passed by the barest of majorities, using several questionable legislative tactics.

It's not compromise if I want to stab you 8 times and and you say no then I come back with "How about 4? or maybe just a a swift kick to the head."

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

What group is that? I've seen one group make it an obligation and tax for all citizens, but I've yet to see anyone attempt to make it a right.

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I don't believe this anymore. Gerrymandering has destroyed this.

I'm slowly starting to believe that gerrymandering is the source of nearly all of this country's big-picture issues.

They are out there Hopwin. They believe anything that they want is a right. They have no concept of the use of the word and seek to redefine it as they wish.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Everyone poll I've seen that discusses the content of ACA instead of the name disagrees with you.

[Citation Needed]

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Which is just demonstrating that people judge laws by names not by content.

ACA sounds good because its "affordable".

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Well, ****, then the Fair Tax should sail right through.

You have that backwards.

When you mention ACA they don't want it (largely IMHO because of the republican smear job and tons of misinformation that's been tossed around)
When you talk about what benefits you get from ACA individually, they do want it.

So what you're saying is when you talk about it as a whole, people don't like it, but if you only discuss how it will benefit them, it's viewed more favorably?

Shocker.

No, when you label it ACA/Obamacare they don't like it. When you talk about all the contents they do.

Which contents? The 6% medical device tax. The funding for 4 years before it starts. The 2.5% of yearly income fine.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I haven't seen any evidence of this, and "republican smearjob and misinformation" is just unsupported bullshit.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

What benefits would I receive?

I am aware of one that might possibly help me, which is the removal of lifetime caps on spending. Otherwise not a single one of those "benefits" is applicable to me.

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Aizle:

There is an entire thread on these forums with news, expert information, expert interpretations, and other analysis that indicates several important things:

1. The bill as presented by the President of the United States does not exist.
2. The cost of healthcare in the United States will increase because of this bill.
3. The quality of healthcare coverage in the United States will dramatically decrease because of this bill.
4. The out of pocket expenses paid by everyone in the United States will dramatically increase because of this bill.
5. DFK! and I have been right about every prediction we've made regarding this bill.

The Affordable Care Act is a DISASTER. It is a massive net-negative for the people it's supposed to save; and it is a malicious new tax on everyone else. It is a political piece that was passed through spurious measures and Nancy Pelosi's near criminal handling over her position as Speaker of the House.

No one wants it. No one wants a situation where in you pay more for less care, and that Affordable Care Act creates that situation.

The President lied about the need for the bill.
The President LIED about the nature of the uninsured in the United States.
The President LIED about who actually bears the majority of our indigent care costs.
The President LIED about medical bankruptcies and other such things.

And, most importantly ...

The President LIED about what's driving medical bankruptcies for the last 2 years OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again ...

The Affordable Care Act is responsible for the changes in federal debt laws that allows medical providers to turn you over to third-party collection 48 hours after services are rendered with no direct attempt to collect payment.

Let me repeated that ...

The Affordable Care Act amended federal debt laws to eliminate standard and customary repayment periods.

So, I only have one question to ask you ...

Have you read the Affordable Care Act? The President has not. Harry Reid has not. Nancy Pelosi said, "We have to pass it so you can see what's inside it."

And most of the Gladers shopping after finding they will get inferior coverage for increased personal expenses from the exchanges.

So ...

Have you read the Affordable Care Act or are you believing the lies Barack Obama continues to tell the world about this bill?

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Hopwin

Https://www.healthcare.gov/how-does-the ... rotect-me/

Those are the protections. Many are or will be applicable to you over time.

The benefits, check your state here.

Http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/hea ... efits.aspx

That should answer most of your questions. Read and consider, don't dismiss it solely on ideological bias.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

From healthcare.gov ...
•Creates the Health Insurance Marketplace, a new way for individuals, families, and small businesses to get health coverage - No benefit to me now or ever.
•Requires insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing health conditions - Not a benefit to me.
•Helps you understand the coverage you’re getting - If you didn't understand your health insurance and didn't take the time to do so you are a twat
•Holds insurance companies accountable for rate increases - The DOI was handling that just fine
•Makes it illegal for health insurance companies to arbitrarily cancel your health insurance just because you get sick - Maybe some day applicable
•Protects your choice of doctors - Straight up lie
•Covers young adults under 26 - Already older than 26 and if I have children they won't be on my benefits past college
•Provides free preventive care - Most plans already provided this (including mine)
•Ends lifetime and yearly dollar limits on coverage of essential health benefits - Possible benefit
•Guarantees your right to appeal - Which was never in jeopardy

From NCL...
Ohio adds: Pediatric Oral and Pediatric Vision

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