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That's all mostly irrelevant.


That's the only relevant part. Motive, character, profiling, all that is irrelevant if it's justified self-defense. The counter argument to your opinion consists of folks charging you, X, as a racist because if the folks involved had the complexion as shown in the pic in the OP you'd have a different opinion.

Zimmerman is no longer on trial, X. You are. So am I, and so is anyone who doesn't follow the progressive narrative.

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Edit You know what, forget it. I'm done. The Lord Rebuke you because I'm done trying.

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I stopped reading right about here..

Not only is there no evidence for anything you've said here, at all, but there's plenty of evidence against it. The whole "racist" angle is a complete joke. Zimmerman isn't even mostly white. He's African, Spanish, and German mix. There's no evidence of him saying anything negative about black people. There is, in fact, documented evidence of the opposite, on multiple occasions, where he's standing up for minorities against other people.

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And on top of that, O'Mara put it well when he said how horrible what the media was to George, practically taking him apart and putting him together like Frankenstein's monster. So many have such a distorted view of what the facts really are.

For example, I've heard so many references to George "assaulting a police officer"...when in the evidence there is an eyewitness statement that what actually happened, was some undercover ATF guys busted George's friend for under-age drinking, and George, not knowing what was happening put his hand on one of their shoulders and asked "What's going on?"

The existence of that eyewitness went untouched by the media, as it, and so many other little facts, simply didn't support their fabricated narrative of "violent, racist, cop wannabe".



The funny thing about this statement, is George was actually a liberal, and an Obama supporter; who at the time only owned one gun at the recommendation of law enforcement after he was attacked by a dog.

You have to be white to be racist now? Come on, do you really think that he would have followed Martin if Martin had been white?

Since the trial, Zimmerman has already been involved in a domestic dispute with his ex-wife and is currently facing more felony charges for threatening his girlfriend with a shotgun and smashing a bunch of things with it. This is, of course, not relevant to the trial itself, but I already said I'd acquit him in that case. None of these things have been proven in court, but I don't need a court's judgment to form an opinion. This is a clear pattern of behavior that doesn't just happen to normal, well-adjusted individuals.

This is one of those rare cases where pretty much everyone involved got what they deserved. Martin collected his Darwin award for being a violent idiot. Zimmerman got acquitted but still got outed as a bigoted *******.

If the series of break-ins in the neighborhood had been done by whites, yes, I believe he would. Fact is though, George was active in trying to help the black community, including trying to get justice done for a homeless black man who had been beaten up by the son of a police officer. George also mentored a pair of black children on Sundays.

There is zero evidence of George being a racist, and a preponderance of evidence that George isn't.



No, he's not facing more felony charges. The girlfriend recanted her statement, saying he never pointed a shotgun at her, and the charges have been dropped.

I wonder.. Would Martin have attacked Zimmerman if Zimmerman had been black?

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So here's the thing, two years ago it looked like Zimmerman followed Martin around because he was predisposed to think black kids are up to no good. It also looked like Martin was a thug engaged in thuggish activity. Those are the two major reactions people had to the story. There needed to be a trial. No, we couldn't just chalk it up as self defense. That's a very convenient excuse for the sole surviving witness, and although certain people don't like to admit it, the fact that Martin was black does affect how the police view Zimmerman's story.

There had to be a trial.

We had to have a trial because we can't just let George Zimmerman go over what was obviously a self defense case. Trayvon Martin gets to have justice, too. We had to have a trial because we can't just toss George Zimmerman in jail over what was obviously a racist looking to kill a black kid. George Zimmerman gets to have justice, too.

There had to be a trial.

As it turned out, George Zimmerman was not a vicious racist. As it turned out, George Zimmerman was quite the opposite. As it turned out, Trayvon Martin really was a thug with a history of illegal and violent behavior. After certified medical professionals examined the aftermath of the incident, it turns out that if George Zimmerman did not act in self defense, then there is no such thing as self defense.

Having a trial doesn't mean you parade Zimmerman in front of a judge and jury, pronounce him guilty, and sent him to jail. Having a trial means all of this gets sorted out in front of a judge who is concerned with what actually happened, while everyone outside the courtroom is screaming about racism. Once Zimmerman is in that courtroom, charged with murder, there is a burden of proof that the prosecution must clear. Murder is a serious allegation, and the burden of proof is quite high. The jury is not obligated to uphold anyone's liberal sensibilities about guns and racial discrimination. The jury is obligated to answer the question, "Did George Zimmerman commit murder?"

The answer is no, he did not.

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Coro, that addresses some of the points brought up in this thread but not the OP or the title of the thread. You also left out that GZ was released and only after media involvement did "there had to be a trial", but that's neither here nor there, I included it only for the record.



This statement, along with the thread title "Chance of acquittal? 0%" and given your response, proves you can't follow the progressive narrative worth a damn.

You racist bastard.

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Yes, and no amount of asking stupid rhetorical questions will change that he almost certainly would have. Zimmerman has not been shown to be a bigot at all, at least not against blacks. Maybe against male teenagers. That was what he first called attention to when he called the police, and never mentioned race until asked.

Had Martin been female, then he likely wouldn't have followed her. This idea that no one ever suspects white teenagers of criminal activity without reason is asinine. People are suspicious of male teenagers in general, and the only one buying bridges is you if you think race was more important than age and gender. Guess which 2 of those 3 are easier to determine on a rainy evening when the person's hood is up.

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On top of that, you can tell from George's response that he doesn't even know what race the guy was when he first answered, and it's later once he got a better look that he was able to confirm his race.

while we keep beating the dead horse...

I have here an older picture of George Zimmerman which clearly shows that he is the bad guy everyone wants him to be...

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If the roles truly were reversed that little white kid would be mexican and the outcome would be the same, whites catching heat for something we have nothing to do with (except upholding the law).

Look, the sad fact is, you could be right. The other sad fact is, as I believe, that this would never have gotten the publicity necessary from black racists to send it to trial to begin with.

So what's the point? That race matters to some people? Without a doubt. There are clearly race-obsessed people in this country. You appear to be one of them. Consider how you impact race relations with such action.

I always find it amazing how differently-calibrated people are for this kind of thing. Here, I'm race-obsessed, but on lefty sites, I'm always getting warned, suspended or banned for challenging the "it's racism" narrative. Personally, I think I'm pretty balanced on the subject and have a fairly realistic view of the degree to which racism and the systemic effects thereof (both current and legacy) still matter. That said, I do tend to fixate on points that seem really obvious to me yet elicit strong pushback from others. Folks here are really, really invested in the idea that there is no systemic racism (or racial bias, if you prefer) anymore, except, of course, for the extensive oppression of white people that is apparently rampant in our society. That just strikes me as a huge blind spot, so I tend to get fascinated (and occasionally frustrated) by it, and I keep poking and probing even though my better judgment tells me not to.

Ignore the aspect of color in analyzing a story. Period. Don't put your thumb on either side of the scale. If you see others overtly doing that you can call them out, but your assumption that racism is a worm that has burrowed into everybody's wood* is insulting.

You come off as the arbiter of racism, the shiner of light under the rock of ignorance everyone else is inflicted with. If you don't mean to come off as "holier-than-thou" about this, then self examination is in order. If you're OK with coming off that way, or if you think there are those folks who's opinions on the subject don't matter, then live with what is becoming your reputation on the subject.

(* as a worker of wood, the analogy is that worms burrow into wood but the only outward sign may well be a small hole. That makes it possible for small and insignificant signs to mask larger issues. It also makes one crazy. The test for sound wood is to work with it, not examine every hole under a microscope)

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The only effective way of dealing with racism is to marginalize and ignore racists, and be colorblind yourself. There is nothing special about being black, white, or all the various shades of beige and brown in between. You might as well have a green-eyed history month, or a red-haired supremacy movement (actually, I like the sound of that one).

The moment you treat race as being special, or mattering in the slightest, you become part of the problem that sustains racism.

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Oh, and one more thing -





That's why you get characterized for being race obsessed, you know. If you don't go there, you won't be seen there.

Racism is ignorance, but it can't be cured by calling folks ignorant, or asking if they know they're being ignorant, or pointing out how many ignorant people there are in the world, or all the "non-ignorant" people patting themselves on the back for their enlightened status on some forum. It's cured by the example of being color blind.

Something I learned as a father: Kids don't listen to what you say, they watch what you do. If they respect you, they'll follow your example, eventually.

If you want to change the world, behave how you want others to behave and act in a way that others will want to follow as an example. That said, I have no illusions and don't want to change the world.

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Generally speaking, this approach would apply to all forms of discrimination, not just race...

Why ignore something if it's relevant? Are you suggesting I do so as a tactic for ultimately getting to the point that race truly becomes irrelevant, or are you claiming that race already is irrelevant?

Race is irrelevant.

Wrong someone and you do wrong, no more or less so because of the color of his skin, and no more or less so because of the color of yours.

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There are some relevant aspects to race; thus it is worth paying attention to in some situations. Some diseases affect races differently, and it's a good tool to use when making a physical description of someone.

Government and others have made it relevant in other aspects, MBE requirements, scholarships, etc.

Otherwise, what's the value? Culture? Ok, but that only makes it relevant to members of that culture. What else?