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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:05 am 
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Ah, you confuse things. Easily done, I suppose, when you can't consider the situation from any other point but your own.

Oh, but I have! After considering those positions, and seeing the results they gave... I rejected them. See, mine is better on merits.

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While you're supporting your wife, you're not paying alimony. Alimony gives your ex-wife power over you while she's supporting herself after your marriage terminates. Go to work, pay your money, or you can actually (in some cases) go to jail. It's the recognition that a contract for a lifetime (more or less) partnership was agreed upon by both parties, with all ramifications therein. You're paying for services assumed to have already been rendered. :ugeek:
Which shoots your idea that payment = control right in the head. And what about the services the payor performed? Seems to me one party can unilaterally break the contract, then get the other party to pay. Travesty of justice.

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That's absurd. If any and all conditions were reasonable, no choice would be necessary.


As long as there is no coercion, you can offer money for anything you want and it's reasonable to do so because it's the accepted method of exchange in our society for things of worth. It's not necessarily legal in all cases, but it's totally reasonable.


Except that it obviously isnt. Its possible, that does not make it rreasonable.

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Yeah you can live here under X terms.

Don't like the terms you don't have to live there (which is the option that was taken).

Hey RD I'll trade you a nickle for 50 bitcoins.

There is an offer - do you get to sue me for my nickle because you don't want to take the offer?

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Yeah you can live here under X terms.

Don't like the terms you don't have to live there (which is the option that was taken).

Hey RD I'll trade you a nickle for 50 bitcoins.

There is an offer - do you get to sue me for my nickle because you don't want to take the offer?


Not even remotely equivalent.

Stop trying to turn it into a simple business transaction.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:09 pm 
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It's reasonable to make an offer, it may not be reasonable to accept. It's called negotiation, and that's the reasonable method to achieve consensus in making an exchange for things of value.


That's what everyone has been saying this entire time. Don't say "it's called negotiation" like you're explaining anything to anyone else. You're not. We've been talking about how it's better to negotiate than deliver ultimatums this entire time. You're the one who's been insisting you DON'T have to negotiate if it's you paying for <whatever>, so put the goalposts back where you found them.

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Look folks, pick all the nits you want. If another adult wants to live under my roof and have me pick up the tab, I can dictate all the terms I want, or I can be as flexible as I want. It's the choice of the folks who's names are on the deed. There's the door, go find a better offer if you don't like mine, I won't twist your arm to get you to stay.


No one has been saying you CAN'T do this, we've been saying it isn't a good idea to do this if you want a healthy relationship with a family member in this situation. The fact that you are trying to change "my adult child" into "another adult" indicates you basically don't understand how to have a relationship with adult children, or are intentionally changing a specific type of relationship into a broader category that relationship falls into in order to score internet points.

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It's one girl, not an entire generation. Anyway, babyboomers are really screwing us.

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Elmarnieh wrote:
Yeah you can live here under X terms.

Don't like the terms you don't have to live there (which is the option that was taken).

Hey RD I'll trade you a nickle for 50 bitcoins.

There is an offer - do you get to sue me for my nickle because you don't want to take the offer?


Not even remotely equivalent.

Stop trying to turn it into a simple business transaction.


RD and I are both adults, I made an offer that the other adult is free to accept or reject.

The parents and her are all adults, the parents made an offer that the other adult is free to accept or reject.

OMG SO DIFFERENT!

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Elmarnieh, not a single person in this thread has said they think the parents should be forced to pay here. No one disagrees. You're preaching to the choir.

If you don't want to debate Diamondeye's much more nuanced point about developing a healthy relationship with your children, that's fine. But I think it's already been well established that this lawsuit is ridiculous.


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RD and I are both adults, I made an offer that the other adult is free to accept or reject.

The parents and her are all adults, the parents made an offer that the other adult is free to accept or reject.

OMG SO DIFFERENT!


Yes, as a matter of fact it is. We're not talking about anyone being FREE or NOT FREE to do anything, we are talking about what is best for a HEALTHY FAMILY RELATIONSHIP. We are not talking about what anyone is allowed to do but what they ought to do.

This has nothing to do with your bullshit ideology. Quit trying to re-frame it in those terms.

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Teen who sued parents gets $56K scholarship
Honor student now reunited with her parents

Published On: Apr 03 2014 10:20:39 AM CDT

Springfield, MA (WSHM) -- The New Jersey teenager who made international headlines last month when she sued her mother and father for financial support and college tuition announced she will be attending Western New England University (WNEU) in Springfield next fall with the $56,000 scholarship she was awarded from the school.

"Decision made," Rachel Canning said in a March 30 Facebook post, according to NJ.com. "WNE U class of 2018 BME Major w/ 56,000$ (sic) scholarship."

"Federal privacy laws prohibit colleges and universities from discussing the status of prospective and/or current applicants for admission. Therefore, Western New England University cannot comment on the status of any prospective student," said WNEU's Assistant Vice President for Marketing Communications David Stawasz.

The Catholic high school senior eventually dropped the lawsuit and returned home and reunited with her parents in Lincoln Park, NJ.

The honor student and cheerleader filed the lawsuit against her parents in March, claiming they threw her out and were making her foot the bill for college.

Her father tells a different story, saying "I know Rachel is a) a good kid, and b) an incredibly rebellious teen, and she's getting some terrible information."

Sean Canning claims Rachel ran away in November because she didn't want to follow house rules.

Tuition and mandatory fees are $33,466 for the coming academic year at WNEU. The total cost rises to $46,154 with room and board. The maximum merit scholarship at WNEU is $16,500 per year. The total can rise to $56,000 or higher over the course of four years, according to Stawasz.

"Western New England University routinely offers merit scholarships to incoming freshmen based on academic achievement. These scholarships range from $5,500 to $16,500 annually and are renewable for four years – as long as a student continually meets certain academic benchmarks," Stawasz said. "Therefore, these merit scholarships can total between $22,000 and $66,000 over the course of four years. These scholarships are awarded to all incoming freshmen who meet the academic criteria, independent of financial need."

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Damnit! The lawsuit is dropped, and everyone is happy?!?! We demand blood!


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Damnit! The lawsuit is dropped, and everyone is happy?!?! We demand blood!


That's not the thing.

Its the $60k Scholarship the ungrateful little bint got that's got our back hairs twitching.

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The automatic, merit based scholarship? She did well in school, she deserves it just like everyone else.

When I read the headline I thought it must be some group of people giving her a scholarship after hearing about her plight on the news or something, but this is purely based on her academics. What's wrong with that?


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Seriously. It's not like it's a full ride to Harvard or MIT, or anything. Honors students get offered these type of academic partial scholarships all the time. Regardless of any personal drama, she hit the mark to qualify for it, academically.

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Seriously. It's not like it's a full ride to Harvard or MIT, or anything. Honors students get offered these type of academic partial scholarships all the time. Regardless of any personal drama, she hit the mark to qualify for it, academically.


This.

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If "acting like a jackass" should get teens removed from the scholarship program, you might as well throw out the scholarship program, because there won't be anyone left.


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I'm not going to suggest they shouldn't have given her the scholarship, mainly because I have no idea what went into the decision. and, it's.not.my.money.

That said, her level of Jackassery seems exceptional to me. If I were looking for a worthy candidate to give a sixty grand scholarship to, I might look for someone a little less.... entitled?


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I'm not going to suggest they shouldn't have given her the scholarship, mainly because I have no idea what went into the decision. and, it's.not.my.money.

That said, her level of Jackassery seems exceptional to me. If I were looking for a worthy candidate to give a sixty grand scholarship to, I might look for someone a little less.... entitled jackasstastic?

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It's a dink college that would be in the middle of nowhere if it wasn't for the fact that you can only get 20 minutes away from Boston in the entirety of Massachusetts (I am aware of the exaggeration, thank you). They don't have a lot of options.

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I'm not going to suggest they shouldn't have given her the scholarship, mainly because I have no idea what went into the decision. and, it's.not.my.money.

That said, her level of Jackassery seems exceptional to me. If I were looking for a worthy candidate to give a sixty grand scholarship to, I might look for someone a little less.... entitled?


This. I can't imagine touching her with a ten foot pole.

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Fortunately, you don't have to, and equally fortunately this college is not makng its decision based on its intuitive reaction to what amounts to a family spat.

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If I was running the institution, I wouldn't want her associated with it in any way. But I guess money talks.

Entitled little brat.

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Seeing as she's the one getting the money, it's probably academics, rather than money that did the talking. She's a lot more likely to lose her sense of entitlement getting an education than she is just staying a spoiled rich kid at home.

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The school isn't doing anything wrong, if she meets the academic requirements, then whatever.

It's more on a personal level that I wish the girl expecting free handouts didn't actually get a free handout. Surely there are others with equal or better qualifications that would be much more appreciative of the gift.


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