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Yeah I'd love to see the tox screen.

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And probably on other drugs. Or alcohol. Or ignorance.

People drive drunk all the time, and yet, alcohol is still legal and has far fewer redeeming qualities.


Not really. "It's not cited" isn't much of an objection; it's an informational page not an academic one. The website lists the extensive problems with Marijuana.

Using it should be legal, but people just need to stop pretending it's some harmless wonder drug because they like smoking it.

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http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Vehi ... 18391.html

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Police found injection needles and what appeared to be marijuana in the truck driver's pockets. He refused a field sobriety test, but troopers said he appeared to be under the influence of drugs.


For someone carrying needles, I can't think of a single good reason to focus the story on marijuana instead of the likely real culprit, heroin. If someone is at the point where they're carrying around needles in their pockets, trust me, they've got a heroin problem.


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Needles leave marks. doesn't say they found any.

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Doesn't say they didn't find any, either.


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Now now Lenas. He could have been diabetic.

And I could be a supermodel.

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Facepalm all you want, but you're the one bringing up irrelevant statements. It doesn't say anything about the stop other than the fact that he refused a sobriety test and they found needles and marijuana in his pockets. If you want to pretend that this guy wasn't a heroin junky that's your right. He could have had long sleeves on, it wasn't mentioned. What else should we talk about that they didn't mention? Maybe the guy had a unicorn in the back of his truck.


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Maybe the guy had a unicorn in the back of his truck.


He certainly has a monkey on his back. And he probably had the accident while he was chasing a dragon.

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Facepalm all you want, but you're the one bringing up irrelevant statements. It doesn't say anything about the stop other than the fact that he refused a sobriety test and they found needles and marijuana in his pockets. If you want to pretend that this guy wasn't a heroin junky that's your right. He could have had long sleeves on, it wasn't mentioned. What else should we talk about that they didn't mention? Maybe the guy had a unicorn in the back of his truck.

I didn't say he wasn't a heroin junky, what I was getting at was that there was not indication it was heroin he was high on right then. Don't try to excuse marijuana as a traffic hazard with "BUT BUT HEROIN!!".

Unicorns are not known to exist. This is not in the realm of philosophical mabeys; theis is you trying to make your preferred drug out to be some wonderful recreational medicine. Just accept the fact that it ought to be legal and isn't. that doesn't mean it's harmless or good for you.

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Müs wrote:
And probably on other drugs. Or alcohol. Or ignorance.

People drive drunk all the time, and yet, alcohol is still legal and has far fewer redeeming qualities.


You can test to see if someone is drunk, that doesn't work so well with marijuana since THC is fat-soluble and remains in the body for weeks.


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1.The qualities of one drug have no bearing on the qualities of other

2. I am aware that we are probably inconsistent on our controlled substance policies.

3. However, I cannot in good conscience promote mj use with my vote.

4.What does this have to do with Russia again?

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Marijuana's no road hazard, at all.

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1.The qualities of one drug have no bearing on the qualities of other.

Huh? How do we develop a sensible and coherent (not to mention just) drug policy without some form of comparative analysis? Even if you believe using mj is harmful and immoral, it's not like we have unlimited law enforcement / prison resources to combat harmful and immoral things, so it behooves us to focus those resources on the more destructive drugs.

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2. I am aware that we are probably inconsistent on our controlled substance policies.

We are. Does that not strike you as irrational, unjust, and, again, a misallocation of resources?

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3. However, I cannot in good conscience promote mj use with my vote.

I guess I'd say two things in response. First, see my earlier points about justice and effectiveness. Second, there's a difference between "not prohibiting" and "promoting". When you vote for a politician who supports freedom of religion and freedom of speech, do you feel like that means you're promoting everything people do with those freedoms? Are you "promoting" the practice of Islam by simply not punishing people for it?

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4.What does this have to do with Russia again?

/bonk. Welcome to the Glade! ;)


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It does bother me slightly that we are inconsistent as a nation about our drug policies (hardly our worst problem though). I really don't know what the answer is. America's experiment with alcohol prohibition was an abysmal failure as I understand it. At the same time I don't feel that just legalizing pot is a good answer either. I'll leave this here as part of the explanation why.
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Over the past decade, drug policy in some foreign countries, particularly those in Europe, has gone through some dramatic changes toward greater liberalization with failed results. Consider the experience of the Netherlands, where the government reconsidered its legalization measures in light of that country's experience.
After marijuana use became legal, consumption nearly tripled among 18- to 20-year-olds. As awareness of the harm of marijuana grew, the number of cannabis coffeehouses in the Netherlands decreased 36 percent in six years.

Almost all Dutch towns have a cannabis policy, and 73 percent of them have a no-tolerance policy toward the coffeehouses.

In 1987 Swiss officials permitted drug use and sales in a Zurich park, which was soon dubbed Needle Park, and Switzerland became a magnet for drug users the world over. Within five years, the number of regular drug users at the park had reportedly swelled from a few hundred to 20,000.

The area around the park became crime-ridden to the point that the park had to be shut down and the experiment terminated.

Smoking Rates Increased Among Teens

Marijuana use by Canadian teenagers is at a 25-year peak in the wake of an aggressive decriminalization movement. At the very time a decriminalization bill was before the House of Commons, the Canadian government released a report showing that marijuana smoking among teens is "at levels that we haven't seen since the late '70s when rates reached their peak."
After a large decline in the 1980s, marijuana use among teens increased during the 1990s, as young people apparently became "confused about the state of federal pot laws."


Other articles say the contrary as well, so we really don't know. It will be interesting to see how the laboratories of Colorado and Washington work on this subject.

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Still not seeing the "Harm of Marijuana" when compared to other things like prescription drugs, alcohol and others that minors have access to.

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I'm not sure, aside from the anecdotal evidence about gateways and the destruction of desire. I realize they are small potatoes to the destruction of lives caused by Alcoholism and drunken driving. All I said is I'm accountable for my vote and therefore I can't feel that I can support any legalization effort I have seen.

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^Ditto. I will let other states play with it and see how it goes, if it is harmless it will soon be proven if it is not well that'll bear out too.

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It doesn't make sense to ban marijuana but not alcohol. Either support banning both or neither.


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I'm not sure, aside from the anecdotal evidence about gateways and the destruction of desire. I realize they are small potatoes to the destruction of lives caused by Alcoholism and drunken driving. All I said is I'm accountable for my vote and therefore I can't feel that I can support any legalization effort I have seen.


It's a gateway because you have to come into contact with drug dealers to get it, whom go on to convince you to try this other thing.

The thing about making you perpetually lazy is just flat out untrue, at least in the sense that it does so to everyone. The list of successful people outspoken about their pot smoking grows every day; a list populated by olympic gold medalists and millionaires. If you're a lazy person then yeah smoking weed might amplify that, but don't buy in to story that it'll stick you on a couch eating pizza for 8 hours. I think we've all been there without the help of drugs.


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Drugs don't make you lazy. The biggest cause of laziness is your personal belief systems.


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Imagine all of the wonderful things Carl Sagan could have accomplished if he hadn't ruined his mind with marijuana.

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Imagine all of the wonderful things Carl Sagan could have accomplished if he hadn't ruined his mind with marijuana.


I heard alcoholics are always skid row bums. The concept of the "functional alcoholic" is a myth. True story, bro.

I bet legalizing marijuana would help Ukraine out too. Then they could just get high and chill instead of worrying about the Russians overrunning part of their country.

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In other news yeah, that nonproliferation was a hell of an idea. I already went over the problems they'd have had with nuclear deterrence, but at least they'd have had them. I'm sure Russia will just let them re-arm now, though. :roll:

I especially like Obama lecturing everyone that the "agreement remains binding." What are you planning to do to enforce it, Barak? Nothing? Didn't think so. It was a **** agreement in the first place; if you weren't so insistent on getting your 2 cents in and your asinine "world without nuclear weapons" you'd see that you need to quietly drop it. In a world without nuclear weapons, situations like this one are a lot more prevalent.

A little shooting thankfully only with rubber bullets. Oh, and AWACS flights to keep an eye on things. We may get some good movie plots out of this yet.

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