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They made $1.27M off the sales and Bundy owes grazing fees of $1M. I'd agree it's about money.

Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson warn conservatives about Bundy ranch dispute
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Glenn Beck is warning conservatives not to get too caught up in the controversy over Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who has been illegally grazing his cattle on federal land for more than 15 years. (Read more about the case here.) Yes, the federal government controls too much land out west — and yes, federal rangers went too far with their heavy-handed tactics — but Beck cautions that extremists are using this incident as an excuse to fan the flames of violence.

"We did some research online with PsyID today," Beck said on his show, "and found that there's about 10 or 15 percent of the people who are talking about this online that are truly frightening."

There are many "decent, small-government proponents from groups like the Tea Party" supporting Bundy, Beck continued, and they should be aware this controversy has drawn "violent, anti-government groups" who constitute "the right's version of Occupy Wall Street."

Tucker Carlson (my boss at the Daily Caller) made a related point on Fox News' Special Report Monday night:

I have a lot of sympathy for the Bundys. I think they were completely mistreated by the federal government. But I still think it's important to point out that this land does not belong to them and that's not a minor distinction, it's the essence of private property.

It's good to see conservatives are finally learning to eschew the knee-jerk impulse that assumes the enemy of my enemy is always my friend.

“Let’s make sure we get this straight. I would pay my grazing fees to the proper government and I did try to pay my grazing fees to the proper government. I do not have a contract with the United States because I will not sign that contract with the United States,” Bundy explained. “I have no contract. I did not graze my cattle on the United States property. And I would pay my grazing fees to the proper government.”

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

No such thing as Federally owned land outside of DC.

Bundy's quote is entirely correct. The correct owner for that land is either an individual, business, or the state of Nevada.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

Constitution > DE

Bundy's argument seems to boil down to the idea that he has a right to receive a government benefit (i.e. free use of land he doesn't own, or, alternatively, a free grant of ownership) simply because he's been receiving it for a long time. I don't see a lot of difference between his argument and the argument that long-term welfare recipients have a "right" to keep receiving benefits at the same level they always have.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

It seems odd to me that the government would 'seize' a piece of land under the guise of protecting an endangered turtle, and then turn around and sell the rights to graze cattle on it.

Didn't I read the turtles were relocated?

19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

Well, then it's a good thing that they didn't seize the land to protect an endangered turtle, they just changed the grazing rules to protect the turtle. It was obtained long before that.

Absolutely about the money:

HARRY REID'S SON REPRESENTING CHINESE SOLAR PANEL PLANT IN $5 BILLION NEVADA DEAL

Article IV Section 3 much?

Since the Constitution says nothing of the sort, you don't understand the Constitution, and pretty much any time you bring it up you're inventing some nonsense that practically no one subscribes to, we can ignore that.

"Property belonging"...it makes claims on existing property it doesn't expand the ways to own property nor what property can be owned for by the Federal government.

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin

The property was acquired by the Federal government through conquest in the Mexican-American war. "Nevada" didn't fight that war, sign the peace treaty or even exist at the time.

Hsitory is important --v
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_ ... pe_Hidalgo

Bundy's argument seems to boil down to the idea that he has a right to receive a government benefit (i.e. free use of land he doesn't own, or, alternatively, a free grant of ownership) simply because he's been receiving it for a long time. I don't see a lot of difference between his argument and the argument that long-term welfare recipients have a "right" to keep receiving benefits at the same level they always have.

The Constitution states that the Federal government can own land in X circumstance for Y criteria. This is neither X circumstance nor Y criteria, ergo...

In comic strips the person on the left always speaks first. - George Carlin