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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:58 am 
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Boston Police reportedly arrested a man Monday evening after he allegedly caused a disturbance by shouting and dropping a backpack at the finish line of the Boston Marathon on the anniversary of the bombing there last year. According to CBS Boston, the suspect is a 25-year-old man named Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device. CBS also reported the bag contained a rice cooker and confetti. Instagram videos show a man wearing a long black veil and shouting "Boston strong!" before he allegedly dropped the backpack.

A man using the name Kayvon Edson who appears to match photos of the suspect shown by NECN has an extensive digital trail where he documented his activities as a "performance artist." On Facebook, a page for Edson features a picture of one of the brothers charged with last year's Marathon bombing, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. The photo, which was posted by Edson about 14 hours ago, has a heading saying, "Had a blast at the marathon!!!"

"#BloggoristAttack — with Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is innocent," wrote Edson in a caption under the photo.

On Twitter, an account for Edson that has not been updated since late December of last year also includes a message in which he seems to describe himself as a "bloggorist."

Edson's Facebook page describes him as being from Boston, Mass. and as a student at the Fashion Institute of Technology. It lists his occupation as the "Sole Proprietor/Designer/Blogger" at something called Natural Selection. The Facebook page for Natural Selection features a video showing a man who appears to match photos of the bombing hoax suspect pretending to rip photos of pop star Justin Bieber. Edson commented on that video using his Facebook account indicating it was him in the clip.

Edson did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Business Insider on Facebook.

The "Natural Selection" Web page was updated with several pictures of Dzokhar Tsarnaev Tuesday under the headline "#SexyBomber."

"Happy Anniversary, babe! Next time, I’ll cry a river for our love boat," a note accompanying the pictures said.

Text hidden in the code for the Natural Selection website declares, "This is Kayvon's blog." The page was registered to a "Kayvon Edson" of Wakefield, Mass. A phone number in the page registration led to a voicemail message for "The Edsons."

There is also a YouTube account for Natural Selection with 19 videos. One of the clips shows what is described as a "Natural Selection Fashion Show." Another is entitled "Bloggorist Warning" and stars a man who matches the photos of the reported hoax suspect draped in an American flag.

"You better watch the f**k out," he says. "'Cause I'm coming for you."

Another one of the videos is entitled "Kayvon Edson." It features the same man introducing himself as Edson.

"I'm a fashion designer, an entrepreneur, a performance artist, a mental patient, a blogger bloggorist, a jailbird, a college dropout, and a drag queen," he says.

In the video, the man describing himself as Edson indicates he has been to jail and was "diagnosed bipolar."

Boston Police did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Business Insider late Monday night.


Wow. Dude is crazy.

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Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device.


So, "possession of a hoax device" is a crime. Hopefully there's more to it than that.


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I am amazed he wasn't charged with terrorism straight up.

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Guy wanted attention, guy got attention.

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Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device.


So, "possession of a hoax device" is a crime. Hopefully there's more to it than that.


Because if someone walked into your office and was wearing something that looked like a suicide vest, terrorized you and your co-workers, you'd be ok with letting him go if it contained no ACTUAL explosive - discovered after the fact.

The law is based on a major premise that people act on facts as they appear to be at the time, and hindsight neither excuses unjustifiable actions nor lays blame for those that appeared justifiable. When that principle is violated, we get absurd laws (lots of strict liability laws involving minors and sex are what they are because this principle is violated) Having ahoax device is a lesser offense than having an actual one, but it's still a crime because it causes all the normal panic.

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Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device.


So, "possession of a hoax device" is a crime. Hopefully there's more to it than that.

What do you estimate the expense to local, state, and federal agencies acting in response to this hoax to be? The cost to local businesses? The emotional duress of witnesses?

What of the dilluded resources, and opportunity costs had an actual attack happened while this was going on?

Of course this should be criminal.

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Diamondeye wrote:
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Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device.


So, "possession of a hoax device" is a crime. Hopefully there's more to it than that.


Because if someone walked into your office and was wearing something that looked like a suicide vest, terrorized you and your co-workers, you'd be ok with letting him go if it contained no ACTUAL explosive - discovered after the fact.


No, but if someone walked in with a fake mustache, I would not expect him to be arrested. Like I said, I'm assuming there's more to the crime than just "hoax device".

One would expect if you go around intentionally causing panic and scaring the crap out of people, you're going to have a run in with the law.


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There is enough to charge him with to satisfy everyone's desire to punish this guy for not displaying a socially acceptable level of grief for the one year anniversary of the Boston bombing. We do not need to set a legal precedent prohibiting children from owning cap guns.

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Don't worry cowards and worry-worts, soon if you accidentally forget your luggage you will be charged with terrorism and be locked away without trial because you made some nervous nelly twitch.

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This is neither playing with cap guns, nor forgetting your luggage.

This is walking into a bank with a realistic looking toy gun, and conducting a robbery, then, right when the robber is about to take the cash and leave; he takes off his mask puts down the toy, and says, "Haha... I was just trollin'."

The later is totally dissimilar from the former.

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Arathain Kelvar wrote:
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Kayvon Edson who is being charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, and possession of a hoax device.


So, "possession of a hoax device" is a crime. Hopefully there's more to it than that.


Because if someone walked into your office and was wearing something that looked like a suicide vest, terrorized you and your co-workers, you'd be ok with letting him go if it contained no ACTUAL explosive - discovered after the fact.


No, but if someone walked in with a fake mustache, I would not expect him to be arrested. Like I said, I'm assuming there's more to the crime than just "hoax device".


Of course there is. That's just the title of the statute. The actual elements of the offense (as is the case for every offense) are contained in the description under that section. Offenses generally have succinct titles; as a result the titles are sometimes imprecise or contain antiquated terminology. The title of an offense should never be extrapolated to determine what is and isn't legal under it - the actual statute must be read in its entirety.

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One would expect if you go around intentionally causing panic and scaring the crap out of people, you're going to have a run in with the law.


Indeed. "Hoax device" is just a short term for some no doubt lengthy list of possible hoax weapons contained in the Massachussetts law.

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There is enough to charge him with to satisfy everyone's desire to punish this guy for not displaying a socially acceptable level of grief for the one year anniversary of the Boston bombing. We do not need to set a legal precedent prohibiting children from owning cap guns.


we're not, and "acceptable levels of grief" have nothing to do with this crime, your personal cynicism about the motivations of everyone else on the face of the earth notwithstanding.

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The offending charge is possession of a hoax device. Not anything done with the device. Possession of a hoax device.

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The offending charge is possession of a hoax device. Not anything done with the device. Possession of a hoax device.


So? What does one do with hoax devices?

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The offending charge is possession of a hoax device. Not anything done with the device. Possession of a hoax device.


So? What does one do with hoax devices?


So if he had not shouted anything, not set the backpack down, or done anything threatening at all, simply had a pressure cooker in a backpack filled with confetti, he should be arrested?


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In that case, how would anyone know he had it?

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In that case, how would anyone know he had it?


I think that is irrelevant as to whether a crime was committed. He simply would not have been caught.


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In that case, how would anyone know he had it?


I think that is irrelevant as to whether a crime was committed. He simply would not have been caught.


Exactly. Whether or not possession is illegal, he has to do something more for the possession to be detected in the first place. Therefore, complaining that possession is illegal is irrelevant.

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So walking around with an old 60's era Batman bomb, because it is observed, is a crime of ownership?

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Maybe what you do with such a device determines whether or not it's a "hoax device"? Is there anything wrong with that? If he kept it in his backpack, it wouldn't be a hoax device! If he was using it to cook confetti stew, it wouldn't be a hoax device either. His actions are what made it a hoax device.

Here's another example of this sort of thing: a hammer. If you use a hammer to bash in someone's skull, it's considered a deadly weapon. If you use it to drive nails into wood, it's not. Pretty simple in my opinion.


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Maybe what you do with such a device determines whether or not it's a "hoax device"? Is there anything wrong with that? If he kept it in his backpack, it wouldn't be a hoax device! If he was using it to cook confetti stew, it wouldn't be a hoax device either. His actions are what made it a hoax device.

Here's another example of this sort of thing: a hammer. If you use a hammer to bash in someone's skull, it's considered a deadly weapon. If you use it to drive nails into wood, it's not. Pretty simple in my opinion.


Theoretically that's true. In practice, there's pretty much no reason to cook confetti at all, much less do so in the setting in question here. Therefore,"I was only cooking the confetti!" is not likely to get you very far.

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I meant like, on the stove in his kitchen. Maybe even if it was on a camp stove, at the race. But then you'd have to at least throw in some veggies to make it more legit.


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I meant like, on the stove in his kitchen. Maybe even if it was on a camp stove, at the race. But then you'd have to at least throw in some veggies to make it more legit.


Yeah.....

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