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The parents.

Although, some can be recognized as bad no matter what.

Genetic predisposition to heart disease, cancer, down's syndrome, autism, et al. Those can all be discarded as bad right out of the gate.

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Alzheimer's is a great thing to correct genetically, because natural selection would never weed it out. It's a geriatric disease - it has no effect on someone's ability to pass along their genes or survive until very late in life.

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There's all kinds of mental disorders that are not genetic at all.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Nothing can possibly go wrong with that.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not entirely true. If that were the case there would be no adaptations in non-breeding members of any population (parts of the bee or ant population)

Having an aging population that is non-reproductive could contribute to the overall knowledge of the population, a voice of experience, and additional production capability still adds to the breeding population's overall survival rate.


Its HARDER for them to contribute and the list of adaptations that would be affected is shorter but not nonexistant.

Highly successful people will always be outliers. This is a tautology. Further, you haven't shown that we are not better than our ancestors. There's so many problems with that assertion I don't even know where to begin. We live longer, we're stronger, we're growing more rapidly in terms of technological advancement, and overall we are becoming more peaceful. You haven't defined "better", nor have you shown that your definition is in any way accepted, nor have you shown that we are actually better in terms of your own definition.



WHY is this a problem? WHY do we want to see more Tony Starks breeding? Tony Stark's kids are more likely to be successful not because they are guaranteed some level of intelligence, but because they will likely be conditioned to be productive and useful. Your chain smoking alcoholic could very easily pass on some highly intelligent genes. What you are suggesting is that the offspring of successful people are more likely to be of value to society than the offspring of unsuccessful people or, more importantly, "better" genetically. You haven't shown this in any way. You assume this to be true.

I recognize that and I never said that we could stop every single bad thing possible from ever happening. At some point however we are going to be able to ensure that a child is born with a predisposition toward a high IQ, may have certain genetic immunities, etc. This is exactly what I mean when I say that humans are removing themselves from natural selection. We will be manipulating nature toward our desired result.

We already have removed ourselves from a great deal of environmental pressures. Most of our "evolution" is now based on societal pressure.

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Ultimately, yes. However, for the next hundred years at least, I think the biggest driver of human genetic change will be the mixing of the human races. It hasn't been very long that globalization and cheap, fast travel have been available. The previously isolated races are mixing at an amazing rate, and I think this will have the biggest impact for a while.

I think a hundred years is too long of a time frame but don't disagree on anything else you said.

You said : "immunity to mental disorders". I didn't say "every bad thing from ever happening", I responded to your wild exaggeration.

Furthermore, we are not removing ourselves from natural selection. We're making some specific, limited changes in the degree it effects us.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Don't know but that's really only 4-5 generations.

DE,
I never said immunity to all mental disorders. Even if we only created an immunity to one, my statement would still be valid. You're just trying to poke holes.

Dude, this is what you said:



That is a way of saying "immune to mental disorders in general". Not specifically genetic ones, or alzheimers. Don't play the "I never said that" game; you did. If you don't want holes poked in your technophile bullshit, don't make ridiculous claims and then complain later that people didn't divine what you meant from your sweeping generalizations.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I didn't think I needed to explicitly state my meaning behind every word. Next you'll argue that we wont be able to make people better looking or smarter because they're subjective qualities. My statement was short and to the point to address Mus' obvious misunderstanding which he got but you obviously did not.

However you want to interpret it, I'll go ahead and say it, eventually we WILL be immune to every single mental disorder that we know of today. Regardless of whether or not they're genetic, caused by outside factors, or late-life developments.

Your statement was at best, totally ambiguous. It has nothing to do with "not stating the meaning behind every word" it has to do with your habit of making wild, careless exaggerations then getting butthurt when someone misunderstands you. You've done it 3 times in this exchange - first the "immune to mental disorder", then there was "stop every single bad thing possible from ever happening", and now this latest one of "explicitly state my meaning behind every word". Is there a reason you need to engage in this kind of histrionic exaggeration?



No, we almost certainly won't.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This is a basic fact of genetics. Parents pass along their traits to their children. Now, they don't pass them along 100% of the time, in the same way, but the children of a couple with very high IQ are far more likely to have a high IQ themselves. This is true even if they don't raise those children. Intelligence is partly genetic. So is every other personality trait. Outliers exist, but we're talking probabilities.

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DE, I don't really come in guns blazing ready to write you essays and have a quote battle, I posed a question which you ignored before falling back on your favorite "find one word to disagree with and go from there" defense, instead of addressing my original question and the intent behind it. My question was meant to ask whether or not the genetic engineering research behind designer babies was intended to address and combat our natural shortcomings, and the answer to that is, unequivocally, yes.

Here it is again for you:



What you, or I, think the eventual outcome of it will be is irrelevant to the question itself.

Holy **** dude, take some responsibility for yourself for once. This has nothing to do with any "defense" I'm using - It has to do with you making an utterly thoughtless statement, then a follow-up statement, me taking the two in context and then you wigging out that I didn't divine your meaning. Seriously just knock it off. I'm not "finding one word to disagree with". You're doing more of the same thing; engaging in this wild hyperbole in order to pretend there's some problem with me rather than just saying "yeah, that wasn't exactly what I meant." I don't need to address your original point because A) it isn't the point of the thread, which of course is now way off topic and B) I'm not interested in your question.

Quit pretending there's something wrong with me or my posting style. There isn't. I wasn't starting an argument, I just pointed out a flaw in what you appeared to be saying.



Then maybe you could have said that. I mean, that was exactly one line. Was it really that hard to come up with one line that clearly conveyed what the **** you were talking about rather than the one line you did post that just made it look like you think magic technology is going to wipe out all mental disorders, followed by another that, taken in context with the first made it look like you don't get that they aren't all genetic?



Which is not what I was addressing; I was addressing something else you said farther down about mental disorders. That's what I felt it necessary to address? Why don't I address your original point? Because I don't see anything terribly interesting to address about it. The fact that you made a shitty response later on does not mean I somehow did something wrong by not addressing your question that preceeded it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Not that I have anything against interracial couples, at all, but this actually is evolutionary regression. Racial differences exist because we evolved to better suit our different environments. If humanity blends to the point where those differences no longer exist, well, we've undone a million years of environmental adaptation. As much as I adore the sun and tropics, my skin is evolved to generate more Vitamin D because in the overcast colder climates i'm from, sunlight is a rarer commodity. In the process of evolving, my ancestors lost a great deal of natural UV protection. Mixed race children do not gain the best of both worlds, however. (nor do they necessarily gain the weaknesses of both, though.)

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They can actually. And sometimes even exceed the sum of their parts. This is where hybrid vigor comes in. The genetics are too complex for any absolute statements.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Those children don't necessarily inherit the best of both worlds, but they can. Likewise, they don't necessarily inherit the weaknesses of both races, but they can. Mixing races is the best way for evolution to move forward, provided there is a way to select out the poor gene combinations. The mixing of two gene pools is a powerful evolutionary tool.

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Not in the example case I gave. The enhanced vitamin D production in the skin is dependant on a lack of melanin. The increased UV protection is dependant on extra melanin. They are mutually exclusive adaptations.

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Vitamin D production and UV protection are hardly the end-all be-all of white and black people.

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Flaccid penis length as a means of temperature governance is less notable, and mostly irrelevant due to advances in clothing.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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