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Well, you can always move down here to Texas. It's quite a nice place.

Don't let my girlfriend hear you say that :psyduck: She's on a Texas bent lately.

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I don't see how this would happen. Take Illinois, for example. Giving greater weight to representation by county, or district or however they apportion their state senate would tend to take power away from the like-minded of Chicago and give more to various other areas of the state, which run the gamut. States like New York, Illinois, and Pennsylvania tend to be so dominated by one enormous city that we tend to perceive the entire state as being like-minded when it really isn't.

Well that is what the State Legislature accomplishes theoretically right? It does nothing to fix Chicago or Detroit.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Well, you can always move down here to Texas. It's quite a nice place.

Don't let my girlfriend hear you say that :psyduck: She's on a Texas bent lately.

Diamondeye wrote:
I don't see how this would happen. Take Illinois, for example. Giving greater weight to representation by county, or district or however they apportion their state senate would tend to take power away from the like-minded of Chicago and give more to various other areas of the state, which run the gamut. States like New York, Illinois, and Pennsylvania tend to be so dominated by one enormous city that we tend to perceive the entire state as being like-minded when it really isn't.

Well that is what the State Legislature accomplishes theoretically right? It does nothing to fix Chicago or Detroit.


No, but the bigger issue with those places is the degree to which they dominate their states, and then by extension the influence they exert on national politics. I don't care that much if Chicago or Detroit stay **** up, but they pass it along to everyone else as well.

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I don't see why we need to cut down on people voting a "party line". Because other people don't like the available parties or lines? Sounds to me like "it should be harder for you to vote because of what you vote for."

I am becoming more and more suspicious of people assumign themselves to be educated and informed voters while assuming other people are not. Some of them are not, but there are plenty of people that are not identified with one fo the two major parties that assume themselves to be informed for that reason alone.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'd say that looking locally the fact that Detroit and Chicago continue to be single party cities while spiralling further and further down the shitter from financial, public safety and economical standpoints would demonstrate that something needs to be done in this country to shake people out of voting complacency and actually consider their choices before blindly voting party lines. Oh and not to pick sides, I am sure that if I tried I could find examples of Republican dominated cities spiralling themselves into the shitter too.

edit: Oh and that's not to say Republicans might do a better job or Democrats, just that competition is kind of necessary for improvement.


Honestly, these problems in general are because we have too many single-issue voters, I'd much prefer a test that disenfranchises them instead. People who vote the party line still got to vote on the issues when they nominated their R or D candidate. It's not even so much, "I will never vote for someone who is for/against position X," because there are theoretical positions where that attitude is reasonable. It's the voters that, when faced with a choice of several candidates who are all either pro or anti-X, will always nominate the one that is the most rabidly pro or anti-X, regardless of their positions on anything else, that are the problem.


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Let me translate your post for you, Xequecal ...

You can only vote, for real, if you vote right. You don't get this freedom thing, do you?

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Its their vote and its their right to determine what it takes to earn it. Xeq.

You really just can't get away from the idea that there exist some people that should just rule over others can you?

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I would like to disenfranchise everybody except me. Like Lord Vetinari, I believe in One Man, One Vote.

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Oh, please. Other people are talking about how they'd prefer to let people not vote, I'm perfectly comfortable also chiming in with my message board opinion on the topic.


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Oh, please. Other people are talking about how they'd prefer to let people not vote, I'm perfectly comfortable also chiming in with my message board opinion on the topic.


Yes, and the problematic aspects of that were pointed out too. This does not make your idea any less a matter of "I don't want people to vote if they might vote the 'wrong' way"... Comrade.

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