The Glade 4.0

Also, to be fair, that ******* replaced this *******:



(who happens now to be our Governor)

So it's a step up.

So promoting an ******* to a position of greater authority is defensible how?


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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Watch out, he's going to run for president in 2016.

All the more reason to nuke the area before it can come to fruition. I surmise there are probably warheads with a payload yield high enough to destroy both Baltimore and Annapolis but I'll defer to DE on that one.


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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

You can cause the deaths of every man, woman, and child in North America with two well-placed cloud bursts.

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Of about 80MT each.

Its not the explosion, its the EMP that would ruin us.

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Holy shitsnacks!

It can be done with about 50MT total yield. And it is the EMP that would kill us. The United States is 30 days away from extinction at any given moment.

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I'd make a joke about the Sum of all Fears, but you'd just hassle me for liking that movie.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

China and Russia are the only two entities that could pull it off that high above the US guys. It would take something capable of near space flight inside the US or something capable of having an intercontinental arc outside of it.

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Ugh. That movie was not The Sum of All Fears.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Russia, China, India, Japan, the UK, and the ESA are all capable.

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Insert could or would in my statement. India isn't going to waste anything on us when they know they are going to have a water war with China in the next few decades. Neither is Japan for war with the same party as India. The UK, nope, ESA, nope.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

I ask for a fly swatter and you guys start taking about sledge hammers. We're talking about nuking one metropolitan area, here, not killing the entire population country founded on the conquest of a so-called indigenous people. Jesus ****.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Who told you this?

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Khross's claim, not mine.


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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I know..that's why I quoted him?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

My mistake. I'm browsing on chrome on a desktop now. Taptalk shows the quote was attributed to me. I very much do not know if two, so-called well-placed cloud bursts could indeed cause the death of every man, woman, and child in North America. Having not read about them either, I'm not exactly sure what a cloud-burst is nor do I suspect it is capable of discriminatingly killing, say only men, versus men, women and children, thus making it much scarier.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Well, for one thing I've never heard the term "cloud-bursts" before. Two high-altitude bursts could indeed do an immense amount of EMP damage and possibly kill quite a few people through the direct consequences of EMP and quite a few more through less-immediate effects from loss of power over wide areas and loss of computer control equipment, but it would certainly not even come close to killing everyone on the continent.

If that were actually true, it would completely invalidate the deterrence philosophy of both sides, and place an insurmountable premium on a first strike - such that nuclear war would almost certainly have already occurred. If you could strike first, you could completely wipe out your enemy with just 2 weapons, and thereby absolutely prevent him doing the same to you. You wouldn't need the immense numbers of weapons of the Cold War - just a few hundred, since even a defense system that had a, say, 99% intercept rate, and sufficient ammunition to assure that even against a full-scale attack would be worthless against just 500 incoming warheads - you could be near-certain that 5 warheads would survive, so even with a 60% dud rate you have a very high chance of getting those 2 bursts. No such defense system has ever even come close to actually being constructed, either, by any party, so the real number needed would be far less. The need for counterforce versus countervalue, tactical weapons - all nearly completely invalidated because you could wrap all your effects up in one nice 2-warhead package.

Even if "every man, woman, and child on the continent" does not include people in hardened shelters (since we don't need to be that pedantic) who could launch a counterstrike, it still calls into question why anyone ever bothered with bombers or tactical weapons - bombers trying to scramble are certainly not hardened, and tactical forces could simply be eliminated by a few more such bursts.

This incident highlights why the idea that a few high-altitude bursts could wipe out a nation's population isn't too likely. The Soviet warning system signalled a single inbound ICBM, followed by 4 more. Petrov knew that a US first strike would involve hundreds of missiles, not just 5. If it were really possible to wipe out a country with a few airbursts, an attack with 5 missiles on an otherwise calm day would be a viable strategy, relying on the enemy's confusion over the small size of the strike, or maybe just not noticing such a small number of launches at all, to succeed. Worse, at that time in 1983 KAL 007 had been shot down a few weeks prior, so tensions were high already, and if a few airbursts (even if it takes 3 or 4 to kill everyone in the Soviet Union accounting for its size and different shape) were credible, Petrov could not reasonably have discounted the threat as he did.

In fact he received (at least some) praise for his actions - surprising in the Soviet military establishment, where making a difficult, but correct, decision like that could be punished simply to divert attention from failures of the system - either the official failures of the political-military system, or technical failures of the hardware in question.

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I think the point is that everyone would freeze/starve to death due to the complete destruction of infrastructure. At least that's what I got from the "30 days" comment. Anyone that's going to be killed directly isn't going to take 30 days to die. That said, people wouldn't live very long if the power grid was irreperably damaged and most motor vehicles stopped working due to their onboard computers being destroyed. The military would remain functional and be able to retaliate, because they're hardened against EMP, so it's still suicide to launch that first strike. Same thing with bombers, they're built to withstand EMP.

You would not see the complete destruction of the power grid for the entire country. EMP, like any other effect, is subject to diminishing effects farther out, and it's not a sure thing regardless. The effects would be very bad indeed, and very large portions of the population would starve or freeze, but it would be far from everyone. Best case, 50-60% of the population would survive; worst case about 10-20%. Even in the worst case, though, we're still talking about 31 million people. That's as many people as the country had at the start of the Civil War.

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Makes me feel good that I could sleep outside pretty much any day of the year and be okay.

In an EMP-only attack, yes. Don't you live pretty close to San Diego, though? That naval base there would almost certainly be the target of numerous warheads of various yields, both ground and air-burst.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Two of these could effectively knock out the grid everywhere. A major disruption of the grid like this single example would cause it fail most places.

No refrigeration, not much gas movement with electronics down (can't pay, harder to ship, way harder to pump).

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You get pretty comfortable with random explosions with so much Mexican food around.

Diamondeye:

I looked at a map.

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