The Glade 4.0

If they're military surplus they're probably a lot cheaper than other color choices. Other than that I'm drawing a blank.

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And why do small town police departments need an MRAP?

Or a tracked APC?


Or one of these:

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Holy shitsnacks!

Intimidation.

While it is perfectly understandable that it would be easier to just focus on the color of the pants in question, and ridicule that as insignificant (which of course it is), at this point you're really just using this as a deflection. There have been quite a few posts in this thread with very specific concerns identified, and your response to these has been requested.

The WaPo had an article on the use of police cameras, specifically how the footage sometimes conveniently disappears.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the- ... d-properly

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I say :

1. It should be mandatory for police, you know, public servants, (who are public-facing and not undercover) to wear cameras and that footage should be available to the very public they serve (to the parties involved and those they grant access).

2. If footage conveniently disappears then the burden of proof/innocence is on the police's side and courts must side more in the public's favor.

I've seen some highway patrol folks get really pissed at the wearable camera suggestion. But in all honesty, it seems more a case of "Your employer now requires you to log your time and show that you actually worked" and someone reacting that they are upset that they can't slack off as much.

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interesting context - which suggests ,if you subscribe to it, that a clear differentiation between the police, judiciary and (para)military suppressive/coercive organs of state is necessary - i.e. that there is a place for serious disorder/riot suppression ,but that it should not be the police

http://kottke.org/14/08/policing-by-consent

Arafys:

The tracked APC is from Doraville, GA -- population 8830. Amusingly, Doraville had a higher than average crime rate for many years, largely because of its commuter and transient population traffic. It's in DeKalb County. They don't need that APC.

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Then why the hell do they have it?

There's 2 million people in Clark County. *WE* don't need a tracked APC. Metro gets a lot of stick for shooting people here in Vegas, but generally, the shootings are justified.

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What a novel idea, Sui.

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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I'm not sure how you can prevent the footage from conveniently disappearing. If they have to pay out a judgment every time it happens, well that's the taxpayers' money, not their money. It wouldn't be fair to automatically go after the officer wearing the camera in these cases because it would never be clear that he was actually complicit in the tampering. I'm not sure what you could actually do to prevent it from happening.

You can't, entirely, but I think that's letting the tail wag the dog.

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Hey everyone, its cool. Brown beat up the cop. Its totally justified. We can all chill out now.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08 ... wn-report/

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good luck with that. Also that article reports that Ferguson was in the process of outfitting officers with body cams, but they had not yet implemented it.

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Curse the irony of it all! Technology that would have gotten the truth out to the world was unavailable at the time it was necessary to record actual truths!

Also, this is probably not irony.

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I'm assuming sarcasm...

If so...so he cop should have just let this very large man beat the crap out of him? If the cop was attacked and Brown did go for his gun and then came back at him...the cop is still to blame in your opinion? Try to keep your screw the cops bias to a minimum.

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Oh. ****. I was wrong. That thing, about Brown beating the cop? Bullshit. Carry on protestors.

http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/2014/0 ... -shooting/
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/21/c ... -fracture/

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Holy shitsnacks!

Yes. The cop is to blame for the death. Once the suspect is subdued, you are no longer allowed to apply deadly force.

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Honestly, I also find it rather questionable that people think individuals should be able to use deadly force in response to minor property crimes, but when a cop gets beaten to the point he has broken bones, it's not OK for him to shoot the guy.

Except he may or may not have been subdued. Agsin we don't know yet

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Its called anti-cop bias

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Michael Brown is not Trayvon Martin in a number of respects. The first is that according to reports, Michael Brown actually was fairly large and imposing. The second is the incident occurred at noon and there are witnesses. The third is that the shooter is actually a police officer. The fourth is that the officer did not call for medical attention, either for himself or for Michael Brown.

Self defense claims are sketchy at best. Unlike George Zimmerman, the officer involved in this shooting was not checked into a hospital with serious injuries. He does appear to have been belted in the face, but he was certainly not drowning in his own blood as Zimmerman claimed to be. The most serious injury he suffered was to his pride, being punched by an uppity young black kid who wasn't respecting his authoritah.

Perhaps the biggest and most significant difference between the Michael Brown shooting and that of Trayvon Martin is that police in Florida did not repeatedly violate First Amendment protections. Speaking as a resident of St. Louis who does have to drive through Ferguson on a regular basis for business, I now feel more threatened by Ferguson police who may decide they should arrest me for my own protection against violent protesters than I do the angry black people protesting the police.

Reporters with cameras are being arrested while reporting on the story. That is a clear cut case of the police curtailing First Amendment rights. That is not an opinion. That is an objective fact. Journalists reporting on events in Ferguson are being arrested for reporting on events in Ferguson. For those of you who have ever said that the Second Amendment exists to protect the First Amendment: Why are you not calling for Ferguson police to be shot? I post this question expecting to be arrested tomorrow for having done so.

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