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Many countries have already closed their borders, and stopped commercial flights, but not us, nope, not here.

I'm all for imposing a travel ban on anyone who has been in or near the core infected areas recently, but at this point, it's not going to accomplish much. The only way to really contain these outbreaks is a full-court press in the affected areas themselves when the outbreak first starts. The initial response in West Africa should have been significantly larger, faster, better organized and more aggressive.


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Khross, I'd forgotten that bats were so receptive to Ebola.



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Many countries have already closed their borders, and stopped commercial flights, but not us, nope, not here.

I'm all for imposing a travel ban on anyone who has been in or near the core infected areas recently, but at this point, it's not going to accomplish much. The only way to really contain these outbreaks is a full-court press in the affected areas themselves when the outbreak first starts. The initial response in West Africa should have been significantly larger, faster, better organized and more aggressive.


Oh, I'd bet that it would accomplish more than checking people's temperature at the airport.

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"Global health officials are looking closely at the “reproduction number,” which estimates how many people, on average, will catch the virus from each person stricken with Ebola. The epidemic will begin to decline when that number falls below one. A recent analysis estimated the number at 1.5 to 2."

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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/bri ... oid-public

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First, Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu,” Obama said in the video released by the White House Thursday. “You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone one a bus.


You *can* get Ebola by sitting next to someone on the bus. That is such a lie.


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If you make a habit of sharing body fluids with those nearby, I guess you could get it anywhere.


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yea, cuz no one ever sneezes, or coughs, or wipes there snotty nose on the bus....


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First, Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu,” Obama said in the video released by the White House Thursday. “You cannot get it through casual contact like sitting next to someone one a bus.


You *can* get Ebola by sitting next to someone on the bus. That is such a lie.


It's not airborne, he's partially correct. Where it's deceptive is he says it's not spread through the air, then he says you can't get it through bodily contact with someone on the bus. The former is true, the latter is not.

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The primary risk of catching Ebola comes from the bodily fluids of people who are visibly infected. These can transmit the disease if they make contact with the mucus membranes (lining of your nose, mouth, and similar areas). Each person in the current "outbreak" is infecting on average two healthy people (R0 value). SARS outbreak of 2002-03 had an R0 of 5, mumps 10 and measles a huge 18. People who display no symptoms are not yet infectious and casual social contact (being nearby, or even shaking hands) generally doesn’t spread the virus. So pretty much don't touch someones blood, saliva and vomit if they look sick.


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So pretty much don't touch someones blood, saliva and vomit if they look sick.


But we're still good if they don't look sick right?


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Yeah, go to town.


Wait, we're still just talking about riding the bus, right?

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If riding the bus is a euphemism for eating feces and vomiting all over he people around you, yes.

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The hospital has changed its story at least 3 times. Clearly trying to cover themselves and now trying to "throw the doctor under to bus".

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The hospital has repeatedly changed its account of what the medical team knew when it released Duncan from the emergency room early on September 26.

A few days later, on September 30, it initially said Duncan did not tell the staff he had been in Africa.

On October 1, it said Duncan's nurse had been aware of the Africa connection but did not share that information with the rest of the medical team.

The next day, the hospital blamed a flaw in its electronic health-records systems for not making Duncan's travel history directly accessible to his doctor.

A day later, on October 3, the hospital issued a statement saying Duncan's travel history had been available to all hospital workers, including doctors, who treated him during his initial visit.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2788334/Ebola-patient-arrived-ER-103-degree-fever.html

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/health/ebola-nurse-how-could-this-happen/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

So now a nurse who treated him is sick.


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Lenas wrote:
People who display no symptoms are not yet infectious and casual social contact (being nearby, or even shaking hands) generally doesn’t spread the virus. So pretty much don't touch someones blood, saliva and vomit if they look sick.


Shaking hands with someone who has Ebola sounds like a terrible idea... People in full protective gear are occasionally contracting the virus.


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To Lex' point...

From the Center for Disease Confusion's own website...

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html
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What are body fluids?
Ebola has been detected in blood and many body fluids. Body fluids include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen.

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?
Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

What does “direct contact” mean?
Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone’s eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion.

How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.


I would contend that this might be a little more contagious than they are telling us...

Two health care workers in full protective gear have been infected.

Even if a 'protocol breach' happened, it still doesn't bode well for the general population once this gets into the wild.


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If shake the hand of someone with ebola, there was a high chance that they had previously contaminated their hand either with their mouth or in the bathroom. So even if there are no visible symptoms (from your perspective), you could then contract it. It takes only one Ebola virus particle to get into your system to infect you.

If someone with Ebola touches a door knob, and you use that same door knob, that's also a vector to get it.


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Sweat is a bodily fluid. Think about that.

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Sucks to be ^ that guy.

Another worker in Dallas is infected.


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It seems clear that they've got some problems with their PPE and/or training/procedures, then. For example, the nurse in Spain may have touched her face with her gloved hand, so it got in through a cut or mucous membrane. If you have the right gear, and you're using and removing it properly, you can prevent exposure. (My ex used to work in a BL3 lab. The horror stories he used to tell about the company providing incorrect PPE...)

Airborne for a microbe = able to travel on things like dust particles long after dispersal. Ebola doesn't meet that criteria, but it can be aerosolized (mucus when sneezing, spread when washing contaminated surfaces, etc). It just won't travel very far, relatively speaking.

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Sucks to be ^ that guy.

Another worker in Dallas is infected.



I'm surprised nobody is getting fired over this. This is a fiasco


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Hospitals and medical research laboratories have terrible safety and security practices. They should be handling this the way chemical manufacturers isolate animal component products from animal component free products.

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