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There's a repeated theme in fiction - that of the evils of technology and advancement. There are concepts that humans shouldn't "Play God" with certain things (always with ambiguous criteria,) that there are things we are "not meant to know," and that we "shouldn't meddle with nature."

These ideas are all idiotic. Knowledge is everything. Our brains are our adaptability. Humans are alive and dominant today because our ancestors -- tropical hairless primates adapted to life in jungles and coastal Africa -- decided to spread beyond our comfortable habitat zones, and found ways to do it. At every step throughout history, people have hit the limits of their understanding and knowledge and decided to invoke intelligent design, as if the universe were mysterious and humans could never figure it out. And at every one of those steps, someone figured it out and found a way to move us forward. If anyone had ever listened to those suggesting we "Shouldn't meddle with nature," we'd still be hunter-gatherers living in caves.

There's no such thing as going too far in science and technology. We are the masters of our own destiny, our own future. We can take charge of our own evolution, and engineer our own apotheosis. We can become the gods we invented. There are no limits for us, and unlike the fable of Nimrod at Babel, there's no malevolent divine to confuse our languages and halt our progress. So resist those who suggest we should hobble our own advancement. Tell those who fear science and technology all it's done for us. Be proud of what you are, and strive to make us all better. We are the pinnacle of natural selection on Earth, but we can't stop moving, we can't become stagnant. We can't stop evolving or we will die.

The Bard wrote it best in Hamlet: "What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals!"

Don't set limitations for us based on some false perception of our limited potential.


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Hamlet (and Shakespeare) were being ironic. He's expressing his disgust with humanity, not his hope for it.


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TheRiov wrote:
Hamlet (and Shakespeare) were being ironic. He's expressing his disgust with humanity, not his hope for it.


Hamlet was obviously being ironic -- which is why the next line wasn't quoted. Shakespeare didn't really agree with Hamlet there... Hamlet was so neurotic he was utterly unsympathetic as a protagonist. If anything, Horatio represented Shakespeare and/or the audience in the play. But it's irrelevant, because the verse is great taken at face value.

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Knowledge includes understanding our own limitations, including understanding what we don't know.

So I agree, but we need to take the proper time to study and determine the consequences of our advancements as best we can. That's where most of the sci-fi horror comes from. Not that we created artificial intelligence, but that we didn't understand that it would immediately enslave us. The fiction hinges on that "oops - didn't see that coming" from all areas - be it genetic tinkering of monkeys, artificial intelligence, cloning dinosaurs, or experimenting with viruses.


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I don't think it should be said a man's reach should exceed his grasp so much as it should be said a man's grasp hopefully won't bound his reach.

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Let's all be honest here. Science Fiction suffers from the same problem that news media does.

Conflict and destruction sell books. Utopia doesn't.


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A short Sci Fi Story.

Once upon a time, far in the future, there was a perfect, idyllic utopia. Everyone was content and happy, and wanted for nothing. Then some aliens came. They were greeted with joy and happiness and acceptance. The aliens fit in, and lived with the utopians happily forever.

The end.

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Müs wrote:
A short Sci Fi Story.

Once upon a time, far in the future, there was a perfect, idyllic utopia. Everyone was content and happy, and wanted for nothing. Then some aliens came. They were greeted with joy and happiness and acceptance. The aliens fit in, and lived with the utopians happily forever.

The end.


Let this be a warning to us all.


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Utopia is fleeting. All life ends in conflict and destruction. #happyface


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Aizle wrote:
Let's all be honest here. Science Fiction suffers from the same problem that news media does.

Conflict and destruction sell books. Utopia doesn't.



True! And hey, I loved Terminator and The Matrix, too.

But they can make stories with conflict and destruction that don't hinge upon science gone wrong. "Science saves the day!" works perfectly well, too. (See Star Trek.)

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I think Stargate was probably a better example of this. Star Trek was more generally that it is humanity's virtues that save us. (mercy, compassion, honor, community building, etc)

Battlestar Galactica was ultimately more about the converse, that our reach for technology is what damns us.


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TheRiov wrote:
I think Stargate was probably a better example of this. Star Trek was more generally that it is humanity's virtues that save us. (mercy, compassion, honor, community building, etc)

Battlestar Galactica was ultimately more about the converse, that our reach for technology is what damns us.

The Old or New BSG? The last one was about **** once it got to the finale.

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