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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:49 pm 
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http://gawker.com/5439804/teabagger-big ... +word-sign

No, sir, the misspelling does not in fact make it all better. Here's your guy, if you are a Tea Party type. He's not just some random guy in a crowd, he's one of their top people. So, if you are wondering why I think the movement has it's roots in plain old fashioned racism, here is just another example as to why.

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You mean besides the fact that his sign is clearly saying that Congress is the slaveowner and anyone who pays taxes is the "niggar"? Clearly alluding to what he thinks is a subserviant relationship? Yeah, that's racist. :roll:

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You mean besides the fact that his sign is clearly saying that Congress is the slaveowner and anyone who pays taxes is the "niggar"? Clearly alluding to what he thinks is a subserviant relationship? Yeah, that's racist. :roll:

I understand the point he is making, and would say that one hand it is not evidence of racism, but I think he could have chosen a different word that fit the comparison he was trying to make, such as just "slave". Unless of course he specifically chose that word for impact/publicity, but then that also undermines Monte's claim it was chosen to express a racist motive.

That said though, I question the painting this guy as one of their "top people"... the guy owns the domain name, but as far as I know of the "movement", there is no central leadership, nor is it even very well organized outside of local groups who may or may not coordinate with other local groups.

I can think of other situations with reversed politics in which Monte probably doesn't want to establish this line in the sand.


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I think he chose the word for A) shock value and B) to illustrate that he thinks Congress's treatment of the taxpayer is just as bad as the racism that people used to justify slavery.

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Diamondeye wrote:
I think he chose the word for A) shock value and B) to illustrate that he thinks Congress's treatment of the taxpayer is just as bad as the racism that people used to justify slavery.

Probably.


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He's not the Tea Party President.

http://houstontps.org/?p=318

He's just an idiot.

Lawl, its racist because black people don't pay taxes anyway!!1one!

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Yeah, there is no national Tea Party organization that I've heard of. All the ones in Arizona that I know of are completely local.

Nice try though, Monty.

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Thanks for setting the record strait Mus.

Since he's not the Tea party president can we get this thread title changed?

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why change the thread title, each time we view hellfire and have the urge to reread this thread; we will have yet more proof that Monte does not bother to research a **** thing he bothers to say.

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Some research just might have prevented a bit of egg on the face. Hopefully, lesson learned.


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I just want to say that I think it was a poor choice of word. If we denouce rappers for using it then we have to denouce others. That said: If we aren't supposed to judge all of Acorn on "a few rogue employees" then should we be not judging the tea party movement on one nutjob whose shown himself to be out for profit with a sign?

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I don't have a problem with a word.

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Rorinthas wrote:
I just want to say that I think it was a poor choice of word. If we denouce rappers for using it then we have to denouce others. That said: If we aren't supposed to judge all of Acorn on "a few rogue employees" then should we be not judging the tea party movement on one nutjob whose shown himself to be out for profit with a sign?


It was definitely a poor choice of words. As Ladas pointed out, the word "Slave" would have worked too. He was going for shock value and like most shock attempts, it was in poor taste.

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Since Monty is racist, we can, by using the logic his touted in this forum, discount everything he has to say on the matter of racism.

Move along.

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Diamondeye wrote:
Rorinthas wrote:
I just want to say that I think it was a poor choice of word. If we denouce rappers for using it then we have to denouce others. That said: If we aren't supposed to judge all of Acorn on "a few rogue employees" then should we be not judging the tea party movement on one nutjob whose shown himself to be out for profit with a sign?


It was definitely a poor choice of words. As Ladas pointed out, the word "Slave" would have worked too. He was going for shock value and like most shock attempts, it was in poor taste.


Except that he may have meant it beyond merely slavery.

For example, I've heard it said that for hundreds of years the Irish were the niggers of Europe.

That doesn't indicate slavery, it indicates exploitation and prejudice.


Words have only the power we give them. Does that mean I think he should have used that word? Probably not because it's just ammo against himself, or "self-defeating," even if accurate. I'm also not sure he was that deep about it in the first place, I'm merely stating it as a possibility.


Furthermore, it looks faked to me. 1) The white hardboard has some sort of construction paper attached to it, on which is written "niggar." 2) based upon the source material at the man's website, I believe that he can spell things properly. 3) The tape across the bottom of the construction paper area is not paralleled at the top, and would thus the paper would be likely to fall down. 4) The place where it looks like there was tape at the top appears to have been "cut off" to make room for the equal sign.



Anyhow... even if 1) real and 2) meant simply as a synonym with "slave," I find the self-defeatism of this the offensive part, not any projected "racism."

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The whole Tea Party thing seemed doomed to failure. If it could have maintained some type of grass-roots independent base for a while it may have been more successful.

Party politics subverted it with the help of the networks early on.

Would you like to be branded a tea-bagger in todays culture, this from a straight faced female reporter on the street?

As for me I'll catch the next movement.

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I'd rather be the tea bagger than the tea bagee.

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Amen.

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Furthermore, it looks faked to me. 1) The white hardboard has some sort of construction paper attached to it, on which is written "niggar." 2) based upon the source material at the man's website, I believe that he can spell things properly. 3) The tape across the bottom of the construction paper area is not paralleled at the top, and would thus the paper would be likely to fall down. 4) The place where it looks like there was tape at the top appears to have been "cut off" to make room for the equal sign.

My take is that it probably says "slave" or something akin to it underneath (i.e., the original words put on the sign), and that he added "niggar" later to attract media attention. Which he got, as there's not only a photo of what would otherwise just be another unmemorable guy in a tea party protest, but you'll also note the video camera that Crocodile Dundee is using to interview him.


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Diamondeye wrote:
You mean besides the fact that his sign is clearly saying that Congress is the slaveowner and anyone who pays taxes is the "niggar"? Clearly alluding to what he thinks is a subserviant relationship? Yeah, that's racist. :roll:

Since it isn't the man in question I hate to get sidetracked, but if this was meant tongue in cheek or as a social commentary then why wouldn't he use quotes around niggar, as in = "niggar"? Gonna have to beg to differ and say this is racist.

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If he doesn't know how to spell it... do you really think he knows good rules of grammar?

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You mean besides the fact that his sign is clearly saying that Congress is the slaveowner and anyone who pays taxes is the "niggar"? Clearly alluding to what he thinks is a subserviant relationship? Yeah, that's racist. :roll:

Since it isn't the man in question I hate to get sidetracked, but if this was meant tongue in cheek or as a social commentary then why wouldn't he use quotes around niggar, as in = "niggar"? Gonna have to beg to differ and say this is racist.


Because he didn't think of it? The sign is pretty clearly a crudely constructed affair to begin with. You're relying on a nitpick.

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Or, he could be using a variant spelling based on its etymological origin "niggard", which is abusive but generally race neutral.

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Nah. My bet is racist attention whoring jerkwad.

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Arafys:

I'm simply commenting on the issue that people are taking with his spelling of the word, which is closer to the whole "niggah please" of Boondocks fame than it is the epithet currently in question. It is also closer to the etymological origin of said epithet than it is the contemporary spelling.

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