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The problem is that you still use a false dilemma in order to set up your scenarios.

In a just world, there is no reason to "blanket refuse service" when you don't want to serve thugs. You simply refuse service to thugs. Problem solved, no delicate snowflakes harmed.

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Not at all. I don't deny racism exists at all. Its prevalence though? Moreso in the Southern US. East or west, it just depends on what sort of brown you are.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Nah, it was right the first way. Bigotry is bigotry, no matter how you want to excuse it.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Where there is a large population of "brown" people and a large population of "other" people, the brown people will disparage the "other" people?


There is no excuse there, just shining a light on the bigotry of the SJW's.
It appears that you are placing a negative connotation on "bigotry". Why, then, do you insist on continuing to be a bigot?

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

African Americans in the "South" Mexicans in the "Southwest".


There is no excuse there, just shining a light on the bigotry of the SJW's.
It appears that you are placing a negative connotation on "bigotry". Why, then, do you insist on continuing to be a bigot?[/quote]

Not quite seeing how its bigoted to think that people are people and shouldn't be discriminated against for things they have no control over.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Religion was the foundation of slavery in the western world. It was only considered immoral to enslave other Christians. Non-Christians were fair game. In fact, this is what Christians originally found morally reprehensible about Islam - Muslims enslaved Christians. This behavior was found in all parts of Europe. The Aztecs, the Africans, the Amerindians, and the Hindu were all viewed as subhuman because they were not made in God's image (white).

Most of those people are dead now, and the world is better for it. It doesn't matter that they were motivated by firmly held religious beliefs. They were bigoted garbage, and the world is better now that they are no longer a part of it. That slavery is illegal, and there are no more white-only drinking fountains, is evidence enough that your religious beliefs don't matter.

Nobody is saying you have to embrace gays. Nobody is saying you can't believe it's morally wrong to be homosexual. We're saying you shouldn't be allowed to treat them like lesser human beings, and we don't care what an invisible cosmic genie told a bunch of Middle Eastern savages 3000 years ago. That was then. We are better people, now. Maybe it's time for your religion to become a better religion and catch up to where humanity is today. You've already changed the Word of God when you added the New Testament. You could go get rid of all the genocidal trash that's leftover from when the Jews were a war cult trying to justify exterminating all of the other people in Canaan.

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After some thought, I find myself both in favor of the right to be a bigoted jackass and turn away good money because you're an idiot, and in favor of Gencon following through with their threat and moving elsewhere. I believe the consequences to being a bigot should be bad publicity and the associated financial loss. Government should not hold a gun to your head and force you to be a civilized and intelligent human being.

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...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
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People don't choose to be manic-depressive or deaf, either, but it's no more observable in a person than if one is gay or not.

Imagine a picture of a gay person, one who is manic-depressive, one who deaf, and one is who black. Which picture can you immediately identify by the descriptor which belongs to it?

The point is that it's more practical to discriminate against color of skin than something which needs behavior to ascertain the atteivutr in question. Not that it's impossible, not that one type of discrimination is more merited than another.



As a so-called person of color, a label curiously favored by social justice types, that has lived in and visited most of the United States (I took residence in 3 of the 4 continental US time zones in 2014 alone) I can tell you my personal experience is racial discrimination doesn't vary much by prevalence throughout the US, but only in nature.

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Is it possible for you to say anything without strawmanning? No one said "there is no racism at all"; I'm pointing out that you are simply painting "the South" with a broad brush as if it were some homogenous group - which is pretty much exactly what bigotry and stereotyping is.

Business owners in the South are not going to suddenly start turning away black customers if antidiscrimination laws go away tomorrow. That's a lot of money. It is not 1965, and contrary to liberal illusions, we are not on the verge of returning to that with only the thin barrier of Federal laws holding the masses in check. Social attitudes towards race ar not what they used to be.

For that matter, they aren't going to suddenly turn gays away either - in fact they're even less likely to because in very few cases will they even know when they're dealing with a gay couple and even more rarely an individual gay person. contrary to RD's ridiculous scenario, very few, if any businesses will have employees trying to do some "gay screening".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

And yet you're perfectly comfortable engaging in your own bigoted stereotyping. At what point did you go full retard social justice warrior on us - or is it just convenient because it makes you chortle with glee at the idea of people making gay wedding cakes when they don't want to?

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Maybe it's time for you to go back and learn some more history.

While you're at it, refer to what Talya said. You're all about lecturing on how "other people's freedom" is a problem when it's convenient for your position, but when that freedom of association means religious people that you don't like might get to exercise their own, all of a sudden freedom is a problem!

We don't get people to accept new ideas and change by bludgeoning them into doing it with the force of law. (For that matter, idiotic comments about "space genies are singularly unconvincing either, especially since it amounts to trying to dress up "I don't want rules about ****" as "science") We allow Nazis, KKKs, and the Westboro Baptist Shitlords to make public fools of themselves - everyone else should have the same opportunity to expose their ideas to public scrutiny and ridicule.

This is not like people refusing to accept vaccinations - no one is going to die or go blind because they couldn't get a wedding cake at the place they wanted to buy it. It is not like not getting to send a peanut butter and jelly to school with your kid for lunch because no one else is going to go into anaphylactic shock from it.

It's interesting that you talk about how we are "better people" these days, then try to go dress up your own version of the same past mistakes you're complaining about in language that makes you feel better. Talya is a better person than the people of the past, but you evidently are not. All you're doing is proclaiming certain beliefs heretical and then wanting to use the force of law to make holders of those beliefs chose between their livelihood and their freedom. You are exactly the same sort of authoritarian shitlord you're complaining about.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's the deaf guy, isn't it? Because he didn't hear when the photographer said,"Say 'cheese'".

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Meh. I subscribe to the "leave people alone" philosophy of governance.

In all respects. If someone wants to be gay, ok. If someone wants to discriminate, fine. If someone wants to shame and protest the bigot - great. If an organization wants to take their convention elsewhere, have at it.

I think you're being wildly optimistic if you think every business owner is going to bother with vetting each customer individually when there's a very easy risk indicator that's staring him right in the face. Not every business is just barely scraping by and needs to retain every customer it can get. Even in cases where service isn't outright refused, blacks will still face ridiculous amounts of discrimination as soon as it becomes legal. Gas station owners switching their pumps to pre-pay when a black guy pulls up, stores having loss prevention associates focus on black people exclusively, banks charging black people higher interest to make up for the increased risk, HR managers automatically throwing away any resume with an obviously black name on it, etc.

I'm not sure why you think businesses are going to ignore obvious risk factors when they clearly do so now in areas where it's legal. An 18-year old has to pay double for car insurance that a 30-year old does simply because he's 18, even if he's a good driver.

Your choice is correct, but the actual reason is because you can see him mouthing "When are you going to take the picture?"

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The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

1) Wait... there are places that let you pump gas *before* you pay? That's... that's just silly. Every gas pump I have ever used has been "Pay cashier, pump gas, get change(if necessary)"

2) This already happens. http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/sp ... lbias.html

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Holy shitsnacks!

You're moving the goalposts. Before it was "black people will get denied service everywhere." Now it's all sorts of qualifiers.

Businesses exist to maximize profit. Every business that does this is going to have another business down the road that will happily take those customers. Furthermore, it simply is not 1965 any more. Even without anti discrimination laws this sort of thing is well beyond merely socially unacceptable.

Also, do you even get gas? Being able to pump before paying either with a card at the pump or inside hasn't been a thing for at least 10 years.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

True. However, I think the problem is more complex than this indicates.

If you chose fake names like "Rainbow," "Ravyn" or "Starshine"... you're going to suffer just as low callback rates. There's a takeaway from this:

Name your kids with real names. Pick something that actually exists, don't pick hippy flowery words, and don't stick random syllables together to sound faux-African. And just to ensure that you know I'm just as adamant about my own geek culture, Han, Leia, Legolas, Arwen, Buffy, Angelus, and Spike are equally bad names for your kids if you want them taken seriously. (And don't call your son Jayne.)



Uh huh. And by naming your daughter "Latonya," you have identified to the world that she had stupid-ass parents.

Hell, give your kid a REAL African name if you want. Nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage. But I don't see any African-Americans naming their kids Adewale, Nqobile, or Akosua, either.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Some African-Americans do exactly that, Adawale , Akosua. It's black Americans who don't.


Oh, please.

There is no way that even you believe this throw-away piece of tripe. Let me know how Religion (Not to mention Christianity) was the foundation of slavery in Greece (c. 8th. century BC), or when dealing with the Irish in the 17th century Barbados, or ,hell, prehistoric Africa.

What ignorant pap.



it's pretty easy to "vet" whether someone is a "thug". That's the easy risk factor staring him in the face.
You see only color.
I see a thug.
I see a poor credit risk.
I see a loss prevention profile.

None of these things are exclusively about color. Some have absolutely nothing to do with color. Why would a bank charge a higher interest rate to someone with a 780 FICO than someone with a 590? Answer, they wouldn't regardless of color. People like you are all about color of skin, not content of anything, be it wallet or character.

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In really rich neighborhoods you can still pump your gas before paying. Also, public corporations exist to maximize profit. Privately owned ones certainly don't. Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A manage to stay in business despite throwing away a whole day's worth of revenue every week. I never said EVERY company would do it, but it certainly wouldn't be uncommon and it definitely wouldn't automatically doom these businesses. Also, just like Hobby Lobby and Chick-Fil-A probably manage to attract customers due to their religious stances, it's certainly not inconceivable that a business that banned black people also attracted racist customers that either think blacks are inferior or just don't want to shop in the same store as them.



I hate to break this to you, but the black skin color would be definitely part of the credit risk or loss prevention profile evaluation if it was legal. No, a white person with that much lower of a score isn't going to get a better deal on a loan, but being simply being white would almost certainly be worth the equivalent of a few FICO points. You'd get a better deal than a black guy with the same income and credit score as you.

Most places in MN and ND you pump before you pay, unless it's a bad neighborhood.

Do they also pay an employee to stand around watching for black guys to drive up?



They also throw away a whole day's worth of costs every week. Both businesses are niche businesses - there isn't that much room for multiple craft stores, nor fast food chains that specialize in a particular protein.



Hobby Lobby and Chick Filet are both niche businesses and they're also rarities. There's a reason you know which ones both of them are. This sort of thing would definitely be uncommon because even if significant numbers of businesses really wanted to do this it would not be terribly practical. What would happen the first time some business refused to serve 2 guys because they were a 'gay couple' when in reality they were cousins?



Hobby Lobby attracts a lot of customers because where else can you go for all your home-made decorative needs? Chick Filet attracts a lot of customers because their chicken is (arguably) better than the chicken sandwiches at other fast food chains and chicken is perceived as more healthy.



No, it really probably wouldn't. Loans are done based on numbers - they're highly formulaic. The person approving the loan generally never sees the applicant and has no idea what they look like.

As for other businesses, they do not want white thugs in there any more than anyone else. I can't link example pictures right now but we're all familiar with the guy with the nasty mullet and no shirt leaning on his red pick truck, or the scumbag steve meme guy or a hundred other white criminals. The "black guy" you're imagining dresses and conducts himself in a certain way, and white people or Hispanics or whoever else that dress and act like that , or some similar equivalent won't be terribly welcome either in places that really try to police their clientele.

The difference is that when this happens to white people, we A) correctly identify their behavior, dress and demeanor as the reason, B) point and laugh at them, sometimes using racially-oriented derogatory terms like "hillbilly" or "redneck" and we don't think much about it and C) know that we are not going to be called a "racist". There's a double standard here where minorities get to weaponize their own alleged victimhood.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The only reason skin color would be part of credit risk or loss prevention profiles is if skin color was a factor in credit risk/loss prevention.

And if it is, then it absolutely should be done, except it's illegal.

Statistics are everything there. The gathering of facts should never be frowned upon, nor should people be prohibited from using them to make decisions.

Nevertheless, this has nothing to do with refusing service to gay couples.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Yeah, many of the legacy gas stations where I grew up in VT still have pumps that don't require pre-payment. To this day, I'm annoyed by the "pay, pump, get change" system, even though I understand the need for it in most places. Just one of a million little reasons why I love my home state so much. There's just a really high percentage of decent, honest people with strong community ties, which allows for that kind of honor system.

You rarely run into pay-first stations in Canada.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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