The Glade 4.0

Who would win?

Kylo Ren.

Qui-Gon was too corny to live.

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Well, one actually survived his major fight, and one snuffed it in record time. So I'm going Kylo.

Jedi Master vs Whiny Baby.

But Qui-Gon lost in a 2v1 versus a Sith apprentice. For a Jedi master, he seemed to be only effective at killing droids.

I still don't get why people call Ren whiny. Anakin... was whiny.

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Holy shitsnacks!

If Ren went around force choking ***** like Vader did everyone would love him.

But really, Qui-Gon. Ren's saber skills were nowhere near Qui-Gon's level. Ren seemed to depend on brute strength.

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Raell Kromwell

Guys, come on. You need to compare teen Qui-Gon to teen Kylo Ren. Otherwise the comparison is ridiculous! By the time Kylo Ren can grow a goatee he'll be force jumping and getting killed by apprentices, too.

Technically, Vader was still Palpatine's apprentice by the time of ANH and even ROTJ and yet people complain Anakin wasn't sufficiently badass to measure up to him. Darth Maul was also an apprentice who got killed by an apprentice.

"Apprentice" doesn't mean a whole lot.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

These are fiction stories.

The winner is not determined by fictional level of skill, but by the rule of cool as interpreted by the writer.

Qui-gon was a pussy. Kylo Ren is not. End of story.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Well if we're going the meta route, I think it's mostly due to survivorship bias based on the importance of the characters in the plotline. More important characters have higher survival rates, especially if they're likely or guaranteed to have roles in later movies. They will nearly always make it out alive from highly dangerous situations. Their skill is irrelevant. Prime example: Jar Jar Binks

Meta is never important. It does not matter that it's fiction, any more than it matters what JJ Abrams did in previous movies. You evaluate the movies as if they were showing actual events.

When Qui-gon was killed, Darth Maul had cleverly used the opening-closing shield door-things to isolate him from any assistance, so at that time it was 1v1. Darth Maul also was unusually focused on lightsaber skills and had a very special, specific weapon that Qui-gon and Obi-Wan probably had never faced before.

So no, he's not a pussy. There is no "end of story".

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Do you believe Qui-Gon's fictional lightsaber skills have anything to do with him being a pussy?

Then you are lost, Anakin. (Alternate replacement for this line: "Do you think that's air you're breathing?")

Besides, "Meta" is everything. This is true of all ridiculous internet "vs." debates. The answer to the argument of whether Superman or the Hulk would win is "What does the writer want to happen?" There is no logical answer that applies. There are no set of consistently defining characteristics that can be used to accurately determine the answer to these geeky questions. It all depends on "What matters to the plot?"

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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This, provided none of the characters are Batman.

No, meta is not everything - it's in fact absolutely nothing at all.

And yes, there are at least some characteristics that can be applied. We can observe what these characters do and make estimates and guesses of their overall abilities and then come up with hypothesis about what might happen if they actually existed and actually did have a fight. There is no "plot" in the case of these hypothetical conflicts; what we are doing is a mental exercise of "if we take this observed set of capabilities and put it up against THAT set of observed capabilities, what would happen?"

That can, in fact, be done in a logical fashion, and there are communities of people that do precisely that for fun - and yes, they are intelligent educated people that understand both logic and science just fine, often better than the Glade average.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

It's all just fanwankery.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

Qui Gon wins. He realizes who Kylo is and how much he idolizes Darth Vader, and his insecurities about living up to Vader's example.

Then, he tells Kylo that Darth Vader was winning pod races at the age of 8, and Kylo goes off and promptly commits suicide by pod racer.

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Also keep in mind that Qui-Gon has never killed anything more formidable than a droid, at least in the movie. Maybe he's even a secret pacifist.

Quigon belongs to a different era, where the Jedi are many are used to being the top dogs and largely figurehead. He'd likely never fought a Sith Lord before.

He was however the first Jedi to achieve transcendence with the force and come back in several centuries. Hes probably more the consular type than the knight type.

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I prefer to think of them as "Fighting evil in another dimension"

I agree, he probably spent most of his time in Coruscant sipping lattes and making important Jedi Counsel decisions about which marble floors need more polishing.