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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:30 pm 
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Talya wrote:
darksiege wrote:
As far as how I view the only justification needed to uphold the 2nd amendment... it is something you said a while back Corolinth...

"Because: **** you, that's why"



Here's the thing: Logic is on the side of the pro-gun lobby. If I'm willing to shoot your ***, a little thing like the legality of having a gun will not deter me. Let's not pretend you can eliminate guns by banning them. You banned alcohol, and speakeasies become the norm through the 20s, creating massive organized crime families built on the proceeds of bootleg alcohol. You ban drugs, and suddenly drug lords field their own **** armies in central america. There's a little known fact that thinking criminals love the law, and the police. To them, the law exists to give them an advantage over people who are unwilling to break it. It is not said lightly that "if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns." You may make them a little more expensive, but not prohibitively so. In the end, someone that wants a gun will still get one, only now, they and those like them are the only ones who have guns, while law abiding citizens whom they prey on will not. There is simply no argument against this truth so obviously and evidently demonstrated by history. And that doesn't even touch on the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, which has nothing to do with self defense, and everything to do with preserving the ability of the common people to shoot their own government/law enforcement if they become too jackbooted and authoritarian.

So there's ample reason for the anti-gun lobby to avoid direct logical debate. What I don't get, is the fact that the debate from the pro-gun side basically does amount to "**** you, that's why!" -- only with a hillbilly twist to the accent and words used. There's no reason for gun-rights types to avoid debate, because it's impossible for them to lose here.

Nothing should be beyond questioning, because no legitimate truth can be negatively impacted by it.


In theory, this is 100% true. In practice, debate on these issues is rarely actually logical and has generous helpings of emotional appeals, intuitive thinking, and fearmongering. Logic often lacks the persuasive power of its accuracy because it is hard or the result is not what one desires.

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Aethien wrote:
Anyone remember the days of Saturday Night Specials?! Heard that term the other day in reference to the early 70s, and it was funny to remember how big a thing that was at the time.


I have held one of the so-called Saturday Night Specials. The cylinder was loose in the frame and the whole thing felt like junk in my hands. My grandfather told me he paid two dollars for just to get it off the street.

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