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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2016 9:57 am 
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The Washington Post, CNN, and apparently the NYT have all noted, although the link I got for the Times was a twitter feed link that didn't work.

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It looks as though Katie Couric stunned her interviewees. Knocked them out with a bombshell inquiry: “Let me ask you another question: If there are no background checks for gun purchasers, how do you prevent felons or terrorists from purchasing a gun?” Now check out the blank stares:

Nearly 10 seconds of silence, as if no one has an answer to Couric’s rather straightforward question. The scene comes from “Under the Gun,” a film written, produced and directed by Stephanie Soechtig and narrated by Couric, the global anchor for Yahoo News; Couric also serves as executive producer. The session depicted in the video above features Couric and members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, a group whose motto is “Defending Your Right to Defend Yourself.”

And to hear the VCDL tell the story, those awkward seconds are a fabrication, a byproduct of deceptive editing. To prove the point, VCDL President Philip Van Cleave has released an audiotape of the session, which is available on the site of the Washington Free Beacon as part of a story by Stephen Gutowski. In that recording, the question from Couric is a bit different from the one in the video. She says, “If there are no background checks, how do you prevent — I know how you all are going to answer this, but I’m going to ask it anyway. If there are no background checks for gun purchasers, how do you prevent felons or terrorists from walking into, say, a licensed gun dealer and purchasing a gun?”

On the audiotape, a reply comes immediately from one of the VCDL members: “Well, one — if you’re not in jail, you should still have your basic rights.” More chatter follows.

In an interview with the Erik Wemple Blog, Van Cleave said, “My teeth fell out of my head when I saw that.” The result of the editing, he says, is that folks who view the documentary are “going to say these people are idiots. It affects all the gun owners.” Other scenes in the documentary, says Van Cleave, “accurately” represent the input of his fellow gun owners. But not the exchange on background checks. “This was beyond the pale.” Van Cleave says he has audio of the entire interview with Couric — a backstop against bogus editing that he learned from his dealings with the media. “I do that as a matter of course when I’m doing things like that,” says Van Cleave. “It has saved me a few times.”

After he saw the finished product, Van Cleave emailed his concerns to Kristin Lazure, a producer at Atlas Films. “Well, that was interesting. So a ‘balanced’ piece gives 15 minutes to the pro-gun side and 1-1/2 hours to the opposition? I had no idea that was the definition of ‘balanced,’ when I was approached about this.”

Then he bored into the integrity matter:

On the question where our members were asked, “So without background checks, how do you keep guns out of the hands of felons?”: it shows our members just sitting there and then one looking down. The editors merged some “b-roll” of our members sitting quietly between questions, followed by Katie asking the felon question. I have the audio of that entire interview and I know for an absolute fact that our members immediately jumped in to answer the question and did NOT just sit there quietly. To the person watching the video, it gave the intentionally false appearance of no one in our group having an answer. Am I supposed to think that is good journalism, Kristin? I hope that in your heart of hearts that you are at least thinking to yourself, “no, it is not.”

Here’s how Lazure handled that concern: “I’m truly sorry to hear you were disappointed with the final product. We knew when we set out to make a film on such a divisive issue that we weren’t going to make everybody happy. However, we have heard from many gun owners following our screenings and the television premiere who felt we gave the issue a balanced look and reflected their views accurately.” That response, of course, doesn’t address the issue raised by Van Cleave, which he noted forcefully in his reply: “It’s not a ‘feeling’ – the 8 seconds of silence from gun owners shown after the question about felons is inexcusable. Within 1 or 2 seconds members responded to that question – like I said I have the proof. That edit actually changed the answer members gave to the question. Worse, that deception was intentional.”

This brand of defensiveness appears widespread among those associated with the documentary. Moments ago, the film’s people released this statement from Soechtig:

“There are a wide range of views expressed in the film. My intention was to provide a pause for the viewer to have a moment to consider this important question before presenting the facts on Americans’ opinions on background checks. I never intended to make anyone look bad and I apologize if anyone felt that way.”

Here the Erik Wemple Blog stroke our gray beard and reflect: In the years we’ve covered and watched media organizations, we’ve scarcely seen a thinner, more weaselly excuse than the one in the block above. For starters, it appears to count as an admission that this segment of the documentary was edited. The artistic “pause” provides the viewer not a “moment to consider this important question”; it provides viewers a moment to lower their estimation of gun owners. That’s it. As far as the rest of the statement, adults in 2016 may no longer write the phrase “apologize if anyone felt that way” and preserve their standing as professionals. To compound matters, here’s the accompanying statement from Couric:

“I support Stephanie’s statement and am very proud of the film.”

That, from the Katie Couric of Yahoo News, of “CBS Evening News,” of “60 Minutes,” of the “Today” show and so on.

Many of those who sampled the discrepancy between the video and the audiotape were already enraged by the depiction of these gun owners. The statements from Soechtig and Couric will surely intensify the backlash, as well they should. An apology, retraction, re-editing, whatever it is that filmmakers do to make amends — all of it needs to happen here.


Note that the film producers don't deny the editing - they "provide a pause for the viewer" which just happens to involve the pro-gun interviewees sitting there silently as if they couldn't answer the question - because somehow the point of an interview isn't to have the interviewee answer, but for the audience to ponder the questions. Or maybe just to ponder the specific question the filmmaker doesn't want the interviewee to actually answer. Then, of course. we have to move on to get "Americans" opinions on background checks, again, rather than the interviewees, and those opinions are selected by the same people that just edited the footage, admitted to it, and then tried to excuse it with an "it's ok because reasons" answer.

This editorial reminds us that Couric found "deceptive editing" unacceptable when it was allegedly done to videos of Planned Parenthood - which brings up the larger issue her, which is neither gun rights nor Planned Parenthood, because either side of any debate really could have had this issue arise - never mind that the Planned Parenthood video was not made by anyone representing themselves as an unbiased media source in the first place.

This is far from the first time we've seen such an issue; in fact someone just went to the trouble of making an entire movie trying to excuse the fabrication of the Air National Guard letter making false allegations of misconduct by GWB in the 2004 election.

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Of course, this type of cut-and-splice “journalism” is common these days. Journalists have been praising “The Daily Show’s” use of deceptively edited interviews for as long as “The Daily Show” has deceptively edited them. Pretty much every time we hear that some cable comedian has “destroyed” some outgroup or the views the outgroup holds, that’s thanks to deceptive editing.


Which can definitely be applied to the vapid nonsense of comedians masquerading as commentators, analysts and serious explorers of social issues everywhere, not just such Leftist darlings as Bill Maher, but the silly "Water's World" Bill O'Reilly now has on in order to take up part of his hour and reduce the effort he needs to put into shouting down people trying to answer his questions. (On occasions I happen to listen to Maher, I actually agree with him about 50% of the time, but even when I do it's the agreement of listening to a cocky high school kid present something that you basically agree with but wish it was almost anyone else saying. Maher, of course, does not have the excuse of being a teenager and seems to think sarcastic vitrol and unsophisticated self-assuredness is a substitute for both comedy AND journalism- he's not even particularly funny.)

The thing is though, that it is clearly not just comedians "destroying" people with deceptive editing, purportedly serious "journalists" do too. We just got done hearing about the Facebook thing, although at least there Zuckerberg had the fortitude to directly meet and address concerns and was either sincere enough or a good enough poker player that he managed to appease those meeting with him.

Of course, I'm sure that some people will want to excuse this with "B-But FOX News!" and such, except for the fact that if FOX does it and gets caught at it, the rest of the press and the Left will be right there hounding them. There is no shortage of scrutiny aimed at FOX and its ilk already. FOX is just as guilty as any other news outlet of self-policing only when caught, but there is a lot more effort put into doing the catching aimed at FOX - unlike more "mainstream" news places where an error is excused with the mealy-mouthed half-apology cited above, and which their compatriots are only too eager to accept as a mea culpa to both capitalize on the embarrassment by boosting their own ratings and readership in the short term, bolstering confidence in themselves by appropriately wagging their fingers at the miscreants, and then hastily dismissing it while keeping the Planned Parenthood video on the back burner for occasional less-than-neutral coverage on slow days.

The fundamental problem we have in this country is that we are overrun with "journalists" that are really in journalism to present the issues as they see them. It's not merely a matter of unavoidable bias, but of a feeling that reducing bias simply isn't important and that objections by people on the receiving end of that bias can be dismissed or given merely pro forma attention because they're Just So Wrong. After all, we know that all right-thinking people want more gun regulation (or whatever) and anyone opposing it is obviously an idiot redneck so we can edit out their answers and let the public "contemplate these important questions."

The journalistic profession in general is in dire need of serious, neutral, self-enforced ethics practices not just lip service to journalistic ethics at educational institutions and emergency condemnation when someone gets caught at this sort of thing. A couple good starting points would be to stop representing the crass, shallow "journalism" of comedians as anything but entertainment, and maybe hand out the Brian Williams treatment to people that get caught doing more than just misrepresenting their personal history.

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PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 11:49 am 
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Evidently not limited to Couric or Yahoo.

This technique - state a narrative, and then just keep repeating it no matter how often or how badly its disproven - has become essentially the default. The inability to even define an "assault weapon" has been a problem for at least 20 years now, but it's still presented as this huge issue.

It's by no means limited to guns, either.

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This technique - state a narrative, and then just keep repeating it no matter how often or how badly its disproven - has become essentially the default.



This is the way that creationists argue against evolution. No matter how often you refute any given argument logically and soundly, they keep using it ad nauseum.

Eg. "It's too much of a coincidence how perfectly designed the Earth is for life!"
Well, no. It's the other way around. Life evolved to fit the conditions it was living in. Furthermore, those conditions were an oxygen-free, carbon rich atmosphere, until the first plant-like cells evolved and started producing toxic oxygen, and life had to evolve further to survive in this new, hostile environment. Changes like that have been happening constantly for the last 3 billion years, it's not new. We're not even the first species to drastically change the environment to make it unlivable for most of what came before. Furthermore, while life itself exists just about everywhere on earth, the vast majority of places on Earth will kill humans pretty damn quickly. If I were designing a planet to support human life, I could do a much better job.

Eg2. "Life is so complex! How can anyone believe it got here by random chance?"
Good point. Fortunately, nobody believes complex life got here by random chance. Natural Selection is anything but random. This does not make it a guided process, but there's nothing random about it. Mutations are random. It is not random whether those mutations tend to live and pass on their new genes, or die off quickly. Creationists seem to think Evolutionists see a million dice, all sitting on 6s, and believe they were rolled that way randomly. However, natural selection is more akin to rolling a million dice, and then locking all the 6s in place and rolling the remainder of dice that weren't 6s, over and over again, until they're all 6s.

Eg3. "Evolution is false because the odds of life arising from non-living matter are so long that it could never happen!"
1. Evolution says nothing about life arising from non-living matter. Abiogenesis is an entirely different field of study.
2. The odds, assuming you could calculate them, never seem to factor in the number of possible attempts. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 estimated planets in the observable universe today, and many more in the past, for the last 14,000,000,000 years. Each of those planets can have had billions of chances per year to form a self-replicating protein by chemical reaction, which is all you need to start the process. And the chemicals you need to do this? Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Carbon--Incidentally, those are the 4 of the 6 most abundant elements in the universe. The other two, Helium and Neon, are chemically inert and therefore useless to life. Even with the most grossly exaggerated odds against, the odds are actually fairly good that it will have happened many, many times.

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That's all largely passe though. No one is seriously listening creationists except other creationists - and people that obsess over creationists as if they really had influence. There's no serious political argument over creationism any more.

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Progressives always seem to be behind the curve of society. Women are getting more into guns, at an accelerating rate, not being more scared of them. Her and the D's seem to be stuck in some 1993 era thinking.

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In further news on the Kouric "documentary" at least four felonies were probably committed while making it and possibly more, if these count as straw purchases.


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It turns out that Couric’s production team deliberately conspired to violate federal gun laws. According to video obtained by Ammoland, a shooting sports news website, one of Couric’s producers deliberately committed at least four separate felonies by purchasing four separate firearms across state lines without a background check.

In the video, Soechtig openly admits that she directed one of her employees to purchase guns across state lines, and that he absolutely followed her orders: <video follows in article at link>


So, whether you agree with these laws or not, the fact is that purchases of this sort are illegal and yet they were made in the process of making this film. But yet the film represented them as legal:

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SOECHTIG: We sent a producer out and he was from Colorado. He went to Arizona, and he was able to buy a Bushmaster and then three other pistols without a background check in a matter of four hours. And that’s perfectly legal. He wasn’t doing some sort of underground market.

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And he just met someone in the parking lot of Wendy’s and bought a Bushmaster. Legally. Like, this is legal.


Which it is not. Firearms purchases across state lines MUST go through an FFL in the buyer's home state:

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How may an unlicensed person receive a firearm in his or her State that he or she purchased from an out–of–State source?

An unlicensed person who is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms may purchase a firearm from an out–of–State source, provided the transfer takes place through a Federal firearms licensee in his or her State of residence.

[18 U.S.C 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3); 27 CFR 478.29]


Yet the employee that made the purchases for the documentary did so by going from Colorado To Arizona and buying them in the parking lot of a Wendy's.

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Soechtig’s chest-thumping ignorance and arrogance on display in that interview–“Legally. Like, this is legal.”–are a perfect example of why so many gun owners care so little about the opinions of sanctimonious gun controllers. Because they have absolutely no clue what they’re talking about. They don’t understand how guns work. They don’t understand crime statistics. They don’t know the difference between semi-automatic and automatic. And they can’t even deign to spend 5 minutes researching actual gun laws before declaring that those laws just aren’t sufficient.


I think the author of the article is actually being to generous here. Soechtig almost certainly knew about the law, and is relying on the fact that the average person they are trying to persuade will not go look at the law and discoer that this is blatant lying. She isn't worried about committing felonies, because she will just plead the First Amendment and claim it's Freedom of the Press. Because we all know that Freedom of the Press is a license for professional journalists to violate the law when they feel it's convenient.

This is the reason why no gun control legislation can be permitted, no matter how reasonable or necessary it might be - because it's just a jumping-off point to more legislation and then still more. The NRA is one of the few organizations on the right that's been truly effective in counter-messaging to prevent the left from just getting its way by uncontested portrayal of the leftist view as what everyone really thinks. Since the NRA fights smart (a noted contrast to, for example, social conservatives who tend to put every message in the most unappealing format and tone they can think of and then look confused when they lose on cultural issues) the left has now decided to lie about not having laws we actually do have in order to make the case for laws they'd rather have instead.

Even if the author is right, and it's a case of just aggressive ignorance this is a perfect example of why people often simply should not have opinions. If Couric and her companions on this really were ignorant of the law, it's a reason why they should not be making documentaries about guns, should not be talking about guns, and should not have opinions on guns - not that they shouldn't be allowed to, they should not do it. It reflects a fundamental problem of the journalistic mentality that merely being a journalist means you are informed enough to talk about any given subject, when in fact journalists are often no more informed than the audience they're talking to.

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I was under the impression that a background check was only required if purchasing from an actual officially licensed firearms dealer. If the Wendy's parking lot purchase was from a private citizen and the sale was just "incidental" to their ownership then selling it without a background check is legal.


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I was under the impression that a background check was only required if purchasing from an actual officially licensed firearms dealer. If the Wendy's parking lot purchase was from a private citizen and the sale was just "incidental" to their ownership then selling it without a background check is legal.


1. It is illegal to sell firearms across state lines without an FFL (also cited above)

https://www.atf.gov/questions-and-answers/qa/how-may-unlicensed-person-receive-firearm-his-or-her-state-he-or-she

2. FFL transfers must always involve a background check.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/who-must-comply-requirements-conduct-nics-background-check-prior-transferring-firearm

The situation represented might have been legal had it all been within one state, but it wasn't.

The problem here is that Couric and Co. were "under the impression" you were, except that unlike you they went ahead and made a documentary making multiple false representations to the public, and probably committing several felonies in the process.

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It also varies by state if a private sale needs to go through a state or federal check. In some states none do, in some states all do, in Pa handguns do, long arms do not.

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