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I may need to revise my previous position on the advisibility of cleansing, purging nuclear fire.


You'd need a very small nuke to limit the damage to Mizzou.

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The capital of Missouri is within about a fifteen minute drive. I'm sure we'd all be okay with the damage spreading just a little further away from the Mizzou campus.

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From one of the protests



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This is classic.



http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/11/10/ ... sor-272339

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I may need to revise my previous position on the advisibility of cleansing, purging nuclear fire.


You'd need a very small nuke to limit the damage to Mizzou.


Fortunately the B61 is selectable yield.

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The capital of Missouri is within about a fifteen minute drive. I'm sure we'd all be okay with the damage spreading just a little further away from the Mizzou campus.


What's the wind direction like? I'll see what we can arrange in terms of fallout.

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ROFLOLOL Farsky. That's the first laugh I've had all day. My eyes are tearing up it's so funny.
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http://arynews.tv/en/how-pakistanis-view-islamic-state-survey-reveals/

If anyone is wondering where ISIS gets its support from. While at first glance yeah a general majority of people in these countries have unfavorable views of ISIS, the fact that they have significant percentages of "favorable" and "don't know" rankings is revealing. Notably, Lebanon and Jordan don't though, but over a quarter of those surveyed in Turkey - a NATO country - do not have an unfavorable view of ISIS.

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However, 20% of Nigerian Muslims had a favorable view of ISIS when the poll was conducted in the spring of this year.


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Appallingly restrictive rules of engagement might be loosened

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The Defense Department may be moving to loosen the rules of engagement in the war against the Islamic State, following criticism that the military’s strict policies are undermining the 14-month air campaign over Iraq and Syria.

Defense Secretary Ash Carter opened the door to the changes in an interview on Thursday, even as President Obama defends the current military strategy in the wake of the Paris terror attacks.

“We're prepared to change the rules of engagement. We've changed tactics, as we just did in the case of the fuel trucks,” Carter said on MSNBC.

The fuel trucks Carter mentioned were targeted in an airstrike by U.S. Air Force A-10 and AC-130 gunships Monday. The strike destroyed 116 ISIS fuel trucks, part of the U.S.-led coalition’s new effort to destroy a key revenue source for the terror network.

Prior to that strike, U.S. military jets were not allowed to hit ISIS fuel trucks because killing the drivers was seen as killing civilians. For the past year, ISIS has earned $1 million a day from black-market oil sales, according to the Pentagon.

As Carter mentioned, the Monday strike showed the Defense Department already is adjusting its tactics to a degree, in a bid to address factors that ISIS is exploiting.

"ISIS uses our rules of engagement against us," one U.S. military official told Fox News.

ISIS has used civilians from the beginning of the air war as shields against U.S. airstrikes. ISIS leadership also is known to hide in plain view above a prison in the de-facto ISIS capital of Raqqa, not far from where “Jihadi John” was killed recently by a U.S. drone.


Gee, you think? Aversion to civilian casualties just turns civilians into human shields! imagine that!

The guy driving the truck may technically be a civilian, but he's still a valid military target because of what he's doing. This would be like refusing to bomb a tank factory because the workers are "civilians".

This past week has seen some appalling admissions from the commander-in-chief. He is unwilling to order troops into battle because he might have to visit them in the hospital - as if he's the first politician ever to do so. He's unwilling to allow destruction of an enemy fuel convoy - a strategic asset - because of pedantic classifications of the drivers as "civilians".

This is a man whose job description includes "potentially order the end of modern civilization on 20 minutes' notice". And he's up against the likes of Vladimir Putin. We are a nation of spoiled brats with a teenage sense that nothing bad will ever happen to us, and we elected a spoiled brat to lead us. I've always been willing to cut Obama at least a little slack because of the melodramatic nature of some of the criticisms of him - until now. He just confirmed the most ridiculous right-wing hyperbole about him. This week is jaw-dropping in its implications.

Also, an apt quotation (sadly unsourced, but I still thought it accurate) since Russia has started employing strategic bombers to attack ISIS since their airliner went down:

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"After Paris, Obama sent a heavily qualified message of sympathy. Putin sent his heavy bombers. Who are you going to remember fondly?"

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Amazing how ISIS soldiers are encouraged to kill our civilians, but we can't even lay a finger on theirs. You can have the best technology in the world and best funded military, but it won't matter if cultural/moral issues prevent you from actually using it effectively.

ISIS will continue to hide among their civilian population, and we will never get rid of the problem if we don't change our ROE. Destroying some fuel trucks isn't really enough. The terrorist organization will continue to fester and launch attacks indefinitely if we don't have better policies.


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Amazing how ISIS soldiers are encouraged to kill our civilians, but we can't even lay a finger on theirs. You can have the best technology in the world and best funded military, but it won't matter if cultural/moral issues prevent you from actually using it effectively.

ISIS will continue to hide among their civilian population, and we will never get rid of the problem if we don't change our ROE. Destroying some fuel trucks isn't really enough. The terrorist organization will continue to fester and launch attacks indefinitely if we don't have better policies.


The fuel trucks do represent a relatively important target because ISIS generates a nontrivial source of income using those trucks to move and sell fuel (and yes, there are people that will buy from ISIS).

I read an interesting observation today, that ISIS is actually trying to make literally everyone in the world that isn't a muslim their enemy so as to generate hate and fear of muslims and in turn drive them into the arms of ISIS as "the only game in town" so to speak. This would make sense in terms of their desire to establish a caliphate, and as a rationale for their almost comically barbaric practices in so many cases.

It does speak to the importance of not succumbing to the temptation to view all muslims as terrorists or ISIS sympathizers or whatever since it plays to their hands, but by the same token we can't control anyone else - not the Europeans and certainly not Russia or China - and their actions may generate that response regardless of how "tolerant and inclusive" we are.

The best option therefore is to remove ISIS - they can't pursue this strategy if they no longer exist. Given the current situation though our best option may be for them to finally piss Putin off to the point that he gasses the **** out of them

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The best option therefore is to remove ISIS


Sadly this isn't enough.

We removed Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden.

Look what that got us.

Someone else will always step up to fill that void.


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Jihad is in Islam's sacred text. Islam is not unique in this matter. Other religions have the same xenophobic and genocidal behavior demanded of them by their demiurge.

Quite frankly, it's time to remove this trash from the holy books. Very few people believe it anymore, until asked to change it. Then it becomes the unchanging Word of God.

And that's the real problem.

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Diamondeye wrote:
http://arynews.tv/en/how-pakistanis-view-islamic-state-survey-reveals/

If anyone is wondering where ISIS gets its support from. While at first glance yeah a general majority of people in these countries have unfavorable views of ISIS, the fact that they have significant percentages of "favorable" and "don't know" rankings is revealing. Notably, Lebanon and Jordan don't though, but over a quarter of those surveyed in Turkey - a NATO country - do not have an unfavorable view of ISIS.

Earlier in the week I read, I don't remember where, that the CIA believes somewhere between 15-25% of the global Muslim population is radicalized.

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Rynar wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
http://arynews.tv/en/how-pakistanis-view-islamic-state-survey-reveals/

If anyone is wondering where ISIS gets its support from. While at first glance yeah a general majority of people in these countries have unfavorable views of ISIS, the fact that they have significant percentages of "favorable" and "don't know" rankings is revealing. Notably, Lebanon and Jordan don't though, but over a quarter of those surveyed in Turkey - a NATO country - do not have an unfavorable view of ISIS.

Earlier in the week I read, I don't remember where, that the CIA believes somewhere between 15-25% of the global Muslim population is radicalized.


More than that, maybe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ing-islam/

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In fact, according to the 2013 Pew Research Center report, 88 percent of Muslims in Egypt and 62 percent of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.


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The best option therefore is to remove ISIS


Sadly this isn't enough.

We removed Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden.

Look what that got us.

Someone else will always step up to fill that void.


Yes. That would be the following step - find a general or secular political figure that's willing to fill the role of Hussein and put him in place with a firm admonishment to avoid the worst of Hussein's excesses (gassing Kurds, for example).

Or, spend about 90 minutes putting the entire place back into somewhere between the 7th and 16th century and render it irrelevant who replaces ISIS.

I think the first option is preferable.

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Jihad is in Islam's sacred text. Islam is not unique in this matter. Other religions have the same xenophobic and genocidal behavior demanded of them by their demiurge.

Quite frankly, it's time to remove this trash from the holy books. Very few people believe it anymore, until asked to change it. Then it becomes the unchanging Word of God.

And that's the real problem.


The real problem would be figuring out whether they hilarious inaccuracy of your premises or the comical impracticality of your proposed course of action is greater.

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Rynar wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
http://arynews.tv/en/how-pakistanis-view-islamic-state-survey-reveals/

If anyone is wondering where ISIS gets its support from. While at first glance yeah a general majority of people in these countries have unfavorable views of ISIS, the fact that they have significant percentages of "favorable" and "don't know" rankings is revealing. Notably, Lebanon and Jordan don't though, but over a quarter of those surveyed in Turkey - a NATO country - do not have an unfavorable view of ISIS.

Earlier in the week I read, I don't remember where, that the CIA believes somewhere between 15-25% of the global Muslim population is radicalized.


I've seen other discussions indicating the large "no opinion" groups in the countries in my link heavily lean towards ISIS and are saying "no opinion" because they don't trust the pollsters not to turn them over to the police.

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Let's say the CIA grossly overestimates the number of radicalized Muslims.

Let's say the number is only 10%.

That would be 160 million radical Muslims. That's significantly more than the population of Russia (143 million) as a comparison point.

At the upper end of the CIA estimate (25%), that's 400 million radical Muslims.

At that point, they outnumber Americans. Allah forbid that the CIA is underestimating...

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Update:

Mizzou has decided that further caving in to identity politics with abject prostration will fix things:

Let's have a "diversity audit".

Because that will definitely reverse your plummeting enrollment. When you've got thuggish protestors ruling your campus and faculty members inciting violence against students on-camera, obviously if enrollment falls it's a problem of diversity.

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I hope it's not a sign of age that I consider reading my old posts in a necromanticly resurrected thread informative.

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"Necromantically" is my new favorite word...

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Diamondeye wrote:
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Mizzou has decided that further caving in to identity politics with abject prostration will fix things:

Let's have a "diversity audit".

Because that will definitely reverse your plummeting enrollment. When you've got thuggish protestors ruling your campus and faculty members inciting violence against students on-camera, obviously if enrollment falls it's a problem of diversity.


I think I've posted it before, but Mizzou's behavior (at least the behavior of the management, not the student body) wasn't due to an obsession with identity politics but because the football team is just worth so much money that they very much get to act like petulant spoiled children all the time and still get whatever the **** they want. Mizzou was absolutely ready to clamp down on the ridiculous protesting until the football team threatened to strike, then they immediately caved. They demanded the President be fired, he resigned literally the next day. This is not unique to Mizzou. Colleges are also perfectly willing to act in an anti-identity politic fashion if that's what would benefit their football team at the moment.


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