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PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2016 8:05 am 
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I think I've posted it before, but Mizzou's behavior (at least the behavior of the management, not the student body) wasn't due to an obsession with identity politics but because the football team is just worth so much money that they very much get to act like petulant spoiled children all the time and still get whatever the **** they want. Mizzou was absolutely ready to clamp down on the ridiculous protesting until the football team threatened to strike, then they immediately caved. They demanded the President be fired, he resigned literally the next day. This is not unique to Mizzou. Colleges are also perfectly willing to act in an anti-identity politic fashion if that's what would benefit their football team at the moment.


This is true as to the course of events. However, we've seen other similar behavior at other schools, such as Oberlin where students demanded $8.20 an hour for protest leaders, as well as basically free everything and a campus explicitly run by black interests. Not only is Oberlin about the most "progressive" school there is (it first opened its doors to black students and women in 1835) but it is a nonentity in terms of sports.

As for the Mizzou football team, they weren't doing too well, and the university has ended up losing far more money than it would have from a football strike. Right now they're closing dorms, laying off support staff and other cost-cutting measures due to enrollment taking an unheard-of drop. They may have caved to the football team but any school planning on doing the same in the future now has a good example of what will happen to them if they allow protestors to run rampant.

Also, the football team did not get to the point of threatening not to play by themselves - they were basically just hopping on the bandwagon. This sort of behavior has appeared on so many campuses because the universitites themselves have allowed their own environments to become echo chambers and it never occurred to them that running opposing views out on a rail in the same of "inclusiveness" (a larger oxymoron is hard to find these days) would eventually produce this sort of environment where the students would get out of control. They've been fed a steady diet of leftism, and in many case allowed to pursue fields of study that go to extreme lengths not to challenge their beliefs because doing so might be "racist" or "sexist" or more recently "triggering" or a microaggression". In most cases this is also probably what they learned in elementary school and high school. Essentially you have large numbers of teenagers that are being allowed to "major" in things they already believed as teenagers. Even if they aren't majoring those things, they're in an environment where those beliefs are pervasive and challenging them is not only socially unacceptable but can result in serious consequences to your future.

Mizzou is just the place that this came to a boiling point most spectacularly. The universities have created a positive feedback loop and are now surprised at the results.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:45 am 
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The aftermath of the nonsense at Yale

The reporter sums this up rather nicely:

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At Yale, I encountered students and faculty members who supported the Christakises but refused to say so on the record, and others who criticized them, but only anonymously. On both sides, people with perfectly mainstream opinions shared them with a journalist but declined to put their name behind them due to a campus climate where anyone could conceivably be the next object of ire and public shaming. Insufficient tolerance for disagreement is undermining campus discourse.


This is in the context of the female student screaming at Professor Christakis that he was supposed to be creating a home, not an intellectual space. Doing this, while screaming at him to demand to know if he understood, as if he were an 8-year-old defying his mother.

Not an intellectual space.

At Yale University.

I imagine that if one thinks of the pinnacles of higher education in this country, Yale is likely one of the first names that comes to mind. What are people supposed to think about the value of education if out-of-control undergraduates are permitted to run riot about the campus, confronting the faculty as if they owned the place and presuming to lecture said faculty on what their duties supposedly are? A half-educated undergraduate is able to tell a professor, to his face, that the purpose of the school is to be a home rather than a place for education? And do so in a manner that probably made him at least half-wonder if he was about to be physically attacked (to say nothing of what went on in the ensuing months?)

Yale's 2016 tuition is allegedly $47,600 before any financial assistance. Why would anyone pay such a sum - or, for that matter, even half that - to go to an institution where a student is able to unironically object to the creation of an "intellectual space"? Why would anyone seriously consider spending the money to allow their child to go into an environment like this? How can the school continue to justify spending its own money to assist students to be there who object to having to learn?

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“The reason is that people fear the intense, vicious, personal attacks that seem to come from sincere disagreements in philosophy,” said Kevin Olteanu ’19, who belongs to the William F. Buckley Program, a conservative group that works to promote intellectual diversity on campus. “They are afraid of getting yelled at, losing friends, and jeopardizing their futures by making their opinions known.”

And according to News columnist Cole Aronson ’18, who is in Calhoun, the Battell town hall — where one protester told Salovey, “I have no respect for you” — has left students afraid that voicing their opinions might provoke ad hominem attacks from activists.

“It doesn’t surprise me that students who support keeping the name don’t want to speak up,” Aronson said. “They don’t want that sort of behavior directed their way.”

Aronson added that many of the students protesting the decision view the naming dispute as a litmus test of basic decency, a position that precludes reasoned debate.

Another student, who asked to remain anonymous, spoke of similar concerns.

“I only talk to people who I’m close with about this kind of stuff because in the mainstream it kind of becomes a one-sided, intimidating dialogue,” the student said. “I know standing behind what you say is the right thing to do, but that only works if people who disagree are willing to engage in rational discourse.”

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Disband the football team. Entirely. Cancel their scholarships. Tell every protester their costs for the current semester is being refunded and good luck in your future endeavors but it won't be here.

Go back to having a civilized campus. Deal with the fallout. If you can afford it have Milo Yinnappolous outside of their dorms as they pack.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:32 pm 
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On the state of education in the humanities in Canada at least, although I suspect its quite similar here too. I have listened to a number of videos by this lady and they're quite good. Especially at 4 a.m. when you're making an all-night brisket and playing ESO to pass the time.

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To begin with, the student writing that came across my desk left me aghast. I had taught before, but I was unprepared for the level of illiteracy, the stunted vocabularies, near-complete absence of historical knowledge, and above all the extraordinary apathy of many English majors. The most basic of expression rules -- the difference between it’s and its, the incorrectness of “would of” for “would have,” the role of the apostrophe or semi-colon, the fact that “a lot” was two words -- were beyond the grasp of the majority, no matter how often I reviewed grammar or devised mnemonic devices. And the sheer sloppiness and muddled thinking in the essays, where the titles of poems and authors’ names were frequently misspelled and dates were wildly inaccurate, suggested a fundamental indifference to the subject matter.

Not only was my students’ writing appalling, but I soon encountered their resentment at being told about it. “Who are you to tell me I can’t write?” was the attitude -- once expressed in those very words. More than one student insisted that her other teachers had always rewarded her with high marks for her “creativity.” Most believed themselves more than competent. After sitting with one young woman explaining the cause of her failing grade, I was befuddled when her only response was a sullen: “This doesn’t exactly make me feel good.” When I responded that my job was not to make her feel good, she stood haughtily, picked up her paper with an air of injury, and left my office without another word. In her mind, I later realized, I had been unforgivably cruel.

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Well, we've got another one.

I'd love to make a snarky comment about the spin that's appearing already but I just can't quite bring myself to.

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And another.

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I just can't wrap my brain around wanting to kill innocents. **** these assholes.

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I just can't wrap my brain around wanting to kill innocents. **** these assholes.


This is religious extremism. There are no innocents among infidels.

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And some in Germany.

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Barbarian slaughters French priest in his own church.

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