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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:10 am 
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Eleven Dallas law enforcement officers were shot, four fatally, on Thursday by what is believed to be two snipers who opened fire during a demonstration downtown over recent police shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana, the Dallas police chief said.

The snipers fired from an elevated positions on police officers minutes before 9 p.m. CT, according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown. He described the shootings as "ambush style."

"We believe that these suspects were positioning themselves in a way to triangulate on these officers from two different perches in garages in the downtown area, and planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could," Brown said at a news conference — noting that some were shot in the back.


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America appears to have gone batshit insane today.

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America appears to have gone batshit insane today.


"today?"

hah.

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More guns is the obvious solution.
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More guns is the obvious solution.


Or we could stop pretending that black people are getting killed by police in numbers disproportionate to how much crime they commit. The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

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It's interestingly problematic if your proof that the police are not biased against black people is data on how much the police arrest and charge black people. Some circularity....

Cause or effect?


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New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

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A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsho ... .html?_r=0
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It's interestingly problematic if your proof that the police are not biased against black people is data on how much the police arrest and charge black people. Some circularity....

Cause or effect?


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Aside from the fact that I didn't say that, I don't need to prove a negative. Someone would need to prove that police ARE biased against black people, and they could not use the rates of arrest as that proof.

That would be the circular argument you are looking for, and it is the one most commonly deployed in public.

A non-circular argument would be that black people are more likely to be socioeconomically and educationally disadvantaged, which leads to higher crime rates within that population, and thus higher arrests.

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Jhorra wrote:
New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

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A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsho ... .html?_r=0


Even then, more likely =/= biased. Correlation is not causality.

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Jhorra wrote:
New Evidence Shows Bias in Police Use of Force but Not in Shootings

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A new study confirms that black men and women are treated differently in the hands of law enforcement. They are more likely to be touched, handcuffed, pushed to the ground or pepper-sprayed by a police officer, even after accounting for how, where and when they encounter the police.

But when it comes to the most lethal form of force — police shootings — the study finds no racial bias.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/upsho ... .html?_r=0


Hmm. I'll have to look at this more closely. Bias in that they are more likely to have a negative interaction with the police, but equal treatment in shootings with whites in similar situations. If bias leads to more interaction, then by extension, there would be more cases of those similar circumstances.
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