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I'm not a fan of identity politics or of Black Lives Matter in general, but it's **** like this that led to it in the first place:

The Horror of the Baltimore Police Department: "A Department of Justice report finds widespread constitutional violations, the targeting of African Americans, and a culture of retaliation."

No.

Identity Politics caused this ****, which has led to this ****, which is the primary cause of this **** (here's an executive summary: Black men have committed more than half the homicides in the US over the past 30 years, yet they make up only ~6% of the population.), and this **** (This means blacks were the attackers in 84.9 percent of the violent crimes involving blacks and whites.)...and you get people claiming there's a "war on black men by white cops"... to that I say bullshit.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Isn't the majority of the Baltimore PD black?

Can you do basic math?

The DOJ ignores math.

The simple fact is that the DOJ report just looks at racial disparity, without looking at relative populations and how often they commit crimes.

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Also I;m drunk

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Friends don't let friends drink and post...they encourage it because it's entertaining.

I'm not involved in this!

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Hmm...Drunk DE seems to make points more succinctly than sober DE. I'd be interested to see if he can handle nested quote tags better.

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Sorry about that. I don't remember writing anything after the NRO link.

Playing EVE, watching the Olympics and being on my 5th or 6th martini (not entirely sure on that score either) all while posting may have had something to do with it.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Can we take up a collection to keep DE drunk all the time?

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Bushmills and Guiness, please. Also, some Knob Creek.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Am I the only one that thought this would be about the Bureau of Land Management?

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no. I've had that thought a number of times over the last few weeks.

Of course, people hate the BLM, too, but for different reasons.

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So, with the riots in Milwaukee last weekend -- the officer was wearing a bodycam, but to my knowledge (as of yesterday, to casual searching), they haven't released footage yet, with the public statements expressing concern about tainting the jury pool if anything goes to court, but the police sources are claiming it was a pretty clear-cut case based on the footage.

The count I saw was six businesses torched (including a gas station -- WTF, people, who thinks that's a good idea for *anybody*?) Saturday night, before basically any details were released anyways.

So, I guess the reason I'm posting is to promote this discussion: have we reached a point where staving off riots in these types of cases by releasing exculpatory evidence clearing the cop's actions takes a priority over maintaining the purity of a jury pool in any eventual wrongful death suits that might arise?

Also, how many times does BLM have to completely make fools of themselves before they undermine the movement and suffer public backlash? This could very well turn out to be a black cop, shooting a black suspect who was allegedly raising a gun against repeated orders to drop it. And with multiple arrests (including for allegedly intimidating a witness to get a previous gun charge dropped), a father who has publicly expressed remorse that his criminal life set a bad role model for his kid, and a sister who's made public calls to stop rioting in their neighborhood -- and instead take it to the suburbs where the evil white man lives, instead. And yet, BLM was out rioting the instant "black twenty-something shot by cop" hit the Twitterfeed.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

And they left out that he was in possession of a stolen firearm, and shot by a BLACK cop...

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Evidently



They already are getting public backlash; it's just that it's mostly being ignored by the press. However, we've already seen things like the University of Missouri losing around 25% of its expected enrollment and millions in revenue because they allowed BLM protestors to run riot last year.

The press is just addicted to the reader-/viewer-ship that "cop shoots black man" and the accompanying expected rioting generate. Even an ambush murder of 5 cops in Dallas wasn't enough for them to stop covering BLM as a "protest movement" rather than a movement essentially demanding blanket amnesty for black criminals. That's of course exacerbated by the press being mostly leftist to one degree or another, and the fact that the left has lost the ability to make points without talking about "racism" and other forms of identity politics labels and is terrified of having to do so.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

This is why entrenched ideologies are poisonous to discourse.

The left-wing conservatives in general, and Black Lives Matter activists in particular, can't get their head wrapped around the notion that systemic racism is not a problem in the United States. More to the point, they're incapable of recognizing that the biggest problems the black community faces today are the result of left-wing policies. In order to keep from having to perform any critical evaluation of their own opinions and policies, they stick their fingers in their ears and cry, "Privilege!" so that they can continue to believe that everything is about race and gender.

But the left did not **** things up on their own. They had help from right-wing conservatives who's entire world view revolves around the idea that the left is completely wrong about absolutely everything, and have no opinions of their own, but instead rely on the left to inform them what they have to say and think the opposite of.

That's a very interesting set of articles Vindicarre has linked, but I'm curious if any of you actually read RangerDave's article, or if you just saw Black Lives Matter in the thread title and regurgitated whatever you saw on Breitbart most recently? I ask this because nobody has responded to what RangerDave posted. You've responded to what Ben Shapiro tells you the left thinks, and you've responded with a canned response that Larry Elder was kind enough to prepackage for you.

The fact of the matter is that while systemic racism is not a problem in the United States, there are racist cops. It is possible for racists to exist in a society that does not have a serious problem with systemic racism. It is also possible for entire racist organizations to exist in a society that does not have a serious problem with systemic racism. The Department of Justice has just released its report. While it would be an oversimplifcation to say that they concluded the Baltimore police are racist, they definitely concluded that the Baltimore police have problems with racist cops and policies. Crying about liberal media bias and that the Department of Justice leans left under the Obama Administration only goes so far.

There is a lot of merit to those articles that Vindicarre linked about the real problems faced by the black community, and how we got to where we are. Unfortunately, nobody is going to read them and take them seriously. That DoJ report contains documented cases of actual racism, and you need to express outrage over that if you want people to listen to you. Otherwise, you're not a rational individual talking sense and destroying myths about systemic racism, you're just a racist scumbag defending racist cops, and nobody's going to listen to a word you have to say.

The reality of the situation is that racism is not the cause of problems in law enforcement, but rather a symptom of a deeper root cause, which is this notion that the police are fighting a war - war on drugs, war on crime, you name it. This leads to police officers adopting the mindset that they are soldiers fighting a war, and soldiers make shitty guardians of the peace. Soldiers operate under a very simple, "Me good, fight bad guys," philosophy. Soldiers defend their tribe and kill the other tribe. Morality and ethics are irrelevant to the soldier. Proper law enforcement is significantly more nuanced, and requires a great deal more truth-seeking. When you treat law enforcement as though it's a war, you run into the problem of identifying who the other tribe is. How does a police officer tell the good guys from the bad guys?

Today, they use racial profiling. This is justified by pointing out that while blacks make up 12.6% of the total population, they represent 28.1% of total arrests, or perhaps by using incarceration statistics. However, blacks representing 28.1% of total arrests does not mean that 28.1% of blacks are criminals. Even it did, that would still mean that 71.9% of blacks are not criminals, and it's inappropriate to treat them like they are or might be. When you start using these statistics to justify racial profiling, you don't sound like a sharp-witted individual making smart talk about effective policing practices. You sound like a racist. Furthermore, while facts are frequently racist, they aren't in this case. You're racist. The facts are that out of 40.8 million blacks, only 3.4 million were arrested. That's 8.3% of black people. The other 91.7% of blacks - 37.4 million people - did nothing wrong.

By the way, the fact that it works occasionally not make it right, and does not excuse the practice. Criminals have civil liberties, too. Yes, right-wing assholes, those civil liberties do indeed mean that people with nefarious intent who are up to no good get to go on about their business without the police interfering. The reason they get to enjoy that civil liberty is for the benefit of the other 37.4 million blacks who aren't doing anything wrong, and don't deserve to be treated like suspected criminals just so that the police can catch the bad guys. There's nothing improper about 37.4 million law-abiding blacks expecting the same freedom to walk around unmolested by the police that 226.2 million law-abiding whites enjoy every day, and they're not whiners for demanding it. Racial profiling is not a rock solid police practice based on firm science, it's a cheap cop-out by police departments that don't want to be burdened by having to think, and want an easy answer to the complicated problem of identifying criminals.

So okay, the leftist pussies need to buck up and accept that blacks are more likely than whites to commit crimes, and that it isn't inherently racist when more blacks get arrested per capita. That's a fair argument. You right-wing assholes need to accept that the overwhelming majority of black people are not criminals and are not being treated with the respect they deserve, nor the respect that you, as white people, demand.

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Speaking of entrenched ideologies that need to be re-examined, how about we re-examine the idea that black people in general don't have "the freedom to walk around unmolested"? Since they do, when we look at black people as a whole.

When you're talking about black people that live in poor, very high crime, urban areas in which almost everyone else around them is black, yes, they appear to get "harassed" all the time because a much higher percentage are black. They get "racially profiled" in those areas because there are hardly any non-blacks to interact with, and there's more cops there because that's where the crime is.



People on the right already accept that. There might be more "respect", however, if we didn't see middle-class and wealthy black kids in colleges defending violent thugs, and in some cases engaging in it themselves.

As for complaints about the "War on Drugs" and this silly idea that this appellation somehow makes cops act like soldiers (they don't, and the idea that "Soldiers don't care about ethics" is nonsense as well) Black leaders were pretty supportive of this attitude.



Most of us probably did, and you are really not in a position to be "curious" as to that. You're talking about the Left failing to acknowledge the realities of systemic racism having disappeared, but you're just recycling their arguments to try to take issue with the right - and in the process continuing to expound your attitudes about the police (and military), which are far more in need of examination as entrenched ideology. Saying "There are racist cops" and proceeding to extrapolate from that to a generalized lack of respect for blacks is not any different than the racial profiling you're taking issue with.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The left pushes the racism narrative so hard because it forces the right to respond. The truth, that it's about money, not skin color, is not an effective line of criticism because the right sees the fact that the system discriminates against the poor as a feature, not a bug.

The overarching conservative narrative is that any problem you could ever conceivably suffer from is your own fault. So the fact that poor people get unfairly targeted really isn't an issue, if they weren't so goddamn lazy and would just bootstrap their way out of poverty, then they wouldn't have these issues. Racism, on the other hand, is a real problem for the narrative because if it exists in any substantive way, that means there are people out there suffering from problems that aren't their own fault. This is also why the left gets to get away with being enormous hypocrites about racism accusations because accusing the left of racism requires the right to concede that there actually is racism.

Here's the problem with the BLM movement:

The lives of people committing violent crimes don't matter at all, regardless of their skin color.

You show me the video of a couple cops shooting a 12 year old black kid in ohio? That pissed me off.

Rally around a thug like Michael Brown, however? Watch me actively not give a ****.

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But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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This might be true of the form of the Right we've seen on the Glade over the years, but it isn't really true of the right in general. Most people on the right recognize that there is actual racism out there, but what frustrates them is that A) the Left refuses to concede it isn't systemic; its individual B) it exists equally in both directions and C) the expansion of concepts that we used to call "stereotyping" or "prejudice" into "racism".

This allows the Left to play the game of saying condescendingly "well, not all racism is equal; microaggressions aren't AS racist as being in the KKK" but yet use the connotations of the terms "Racism" or "racist" to imply that anyone disagreeing with them is a moral cretin. It'd be like calling tear gas a "chemical weapon" to claim using it is the same as using Sarin, or claiming "predatory felines are roaming the streets!" to complain about a stray cat problem.

It isn't actually a problem for most of the Right that people sometimes suffer from things that aren't their fault. What's a problem for the Right is that they allow the Left to play to that false dichotomy you're espousing above - if there is even a little bit of racism, that completely and totally excuses minorities from any and all responsibilities for problems in their own communities.

What would be better is if we got rid of the idea that minorities are a community at all, and that they have group interests that mysteriously align against those of whites in similar economic conditions. Unfortunately, we're saddled with liberal and minority leaders and politicians for whom this tribalism is their bread and butter. The Right is to blame for its ineffectual flailing in countering this.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Presumably you would agree, DE, that for most of US history, race was a defining characteristic in terms of group interests, so when do you think that stopped being true?

It stopped being true when we stopped permitting legislative difference between races - so 1964 to be perfectly exact. Certainly the enforcement and implementation of that sea change was not instantaneous, but at this point the continuing pretense that "minorities" share interests based on racial/ethnic identity accomplishes absolutely nothing except to continue a focus on identity politics for the benefit of the Left.

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