The Glade 4.0

Alec Baldwin is the one and only Jack Ryan. Don't get me wrong - Harrison Ford was awesome in Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger, but he was actually playing Deputy Director Dr. Indiana Kimball Solo, not Jack Ryan.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I am scared this woman is going to win but seeing her pass out like that made me feel better.

Because it reminds me that even evil ***** have an expiration date.

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Raell Kromwell

My theory is that it's all an act, so that when she actually loses the election to Donald fscking Trump, she'll have an excuse.

Either that, or the stress of actually losing an election to Donald fscking Trump is actually killing her.

And what's bad is that, beyond her need for privacy and control, not revealing anything about being sick indicates that she's allowing Trump and others to control the narrative. I'm pretty sure they decided not to say anything for fear of adding fuel to the fire.

I fear she's throwing away this election.

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

It might be. Had anyone presented this matchup as a hypothetical after 2012, I think any of us would have predicted that Hillary Clinton, or pretty much any bog-standard Democratic candidate would have swatted Trump aside with relative ease. Last year at this time, I still expected him to gas out and someone else to pull into the lead in the primaries and I think almost everyone else did too. This was Not Supposed To Happen (tm)

The fact that Hillary Clinton is not blowing Trump out of the water by double digits is, itself, essentially a massive loss for her. It is an admission that she is possibly the most unbelievably toxic candidate ever to run for President. Against a candidate as simply unsophisticated on so many issues (even those where he's right about the underlying fundamentals) and so prone to saying things that the press can normally use to just annihilate a politician, 10% should be her floor margin of victory in the popular vote, and she should be rocking at least a 5% margin in every swing state. This should look like 1984 in reverse.

It doesn't, because the Democrats have essentially nominated Cersei Lannister, and are now wondering why she can't put away Archie Bunker. The reason should be relatively obvious, no matter what words come out of her mouth, we've all been watching her play Game of Thrones in real life for almost 30 years, and the only reasons to vote for her amount to A) because you're just in the tank for Democrats no matter what B) You don't get that rude, boorish, insensitivity is vastly preferable to someone who wants power for the sake of power and has no idea what she will actually do with it (her wild swings between center-left and progressive ought to establish that beyond a doubt) or C) because vagina.

It's not hard to make the case that there aren't really compelling reasons to vote for Trump, but the fact that she's NOT leading by ridiculous margins indicate that the reasons to vote AGAINST Clinton are very good ones indeed.

Her pneumonia is, in itself, pretty minor - the inability to just come out and say "yes she's got pneumonia" speaks to her, and her campaign's fundamental allergy to the idea that the public has any right to question her at all. Her "basket of deplorables" remark - and the support for it and attempts to excuse it - indicate that she and her supporters are every bit as bigoted as they imagine their opponents to be. It's revealed "racist", "misogynist", and "Islamophobe" and "homophobe" to be simply slurs that have no place in civilized discussion. If you need to use these words to make a point, it's an indication you don't have one. All of those concepts can be explained and decried just fine without using ad hom slurs that really mean "people I disagree with."

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Wow, this is not something I hear of people accusing D-team candidates of. This election is bringing me all kinds of genuine surprises from this board. I still can't get over Mus at one point saying he'll take Trump or Clinton (not sure if he's reversed that position).

I still don't know what I'm going to do. I don't think I can vote Trump with a clear conscience, even with the #neverhillary goal. Johnson and (especially) his running mate are unpalatable in the Libertarian camp.

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The Dude abides.

I did? Honestly, I'd prefer to wipe them all out and do the primaries over again. Every one of the 4 has a yuge disqualifying downside.

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Holy shitsnacks!

While this is a somewhat accurate and incredibly amusing comparison, I should note that if she looked like Cersei Lannister instead of the pod-person version of Donald Sutherland, this would be a different election.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Fixed that for you. The fact that Trump was ever a contender for nomination, let alone the actual Republican nominee with over 40% support in the general, is an incredible indictment of how **** up our country is.

The fact that Hillary was a contender for nomination speaks volumes of the toxicity of the other half of the electorate. We're talking about someone who is secretive even when there's no real reason to be, dishonest even when there's no real reason to be - even when its to her disadvantage, such as with this pneumonia issue which could have been put away much sooner with minimal forthrightness - and whose credibility as first woman President is heavily undermined by the fact that she rode her husband's coattails to viability as a candidate; said husband having a long history of questionable treatment of women. I don't mean his screwing around on her either; I mean whether or not everything was exactly consensual. A Republican candidate with Bill's history would have been run out of town as a rapist ages ago regardless of whether anything was firmly established as fact.

Her speech about "deplorables" and her list of phobias they is absolutely no different than getting up there and calling off a list of slurs, and its reflective of the completely unjustified pretense of moral high ground the Left has been indulging itself in for decades. You can either accept that Leftist definitions of bigotry are self-interested bullshit and stop using them, or you can accept that your own side has its own versions of every "sexist" and "racist" and "phobic" group you imagine the Right to have and start calling them out. The woman is an utter swine, and her strongest devotees are the Left's version of the alt right, except they've been getting a pass for decades now.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I think we can all agree that if she loses, we can forego the nude walk of shame.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

The candidates were picked by 4.5% or so of the actual electorate. I *hate* our system.

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Holy shitsnacks!

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The Dude abides.

They were picked by the entire electorate. If your candidate lost, you still had a voice in the selection. If you didn't vote, you made a choice and participated. There's nothing wrong with our system. There's something wrong with using shoddy reasoning to pretend people didn't make their own choices.

The Left's electorate allowed itself to believe that anything was preferable to a Republican, and on that basis allowed their party leaders to select someone whose sole recommendations for the job were her genitals and her own sense of entitlement to it - or, alternately, they voted for a fantasy candidate with fantasy proposals just because he was a nice old man that appeared to genuinely believe in the windmills he was tilting at. There was Jim Webb, but we can't have any of that reasonable and electable nonsense, no siree!!

On the other hand, the Right was fed up with the press and fed up with their leaders and decided to give both of them a sound spanking - and in the process, selected a candidate guaranteed to alienate almost everyone else once his usual discourse was run through the ringer of the press (to be fair, they didn't have to exactly work very hard to make him look bigoted, since he was already boorish, crude, and insensitive).

No one gets to sit around "hating the system". It's everyone's fault. No amount of looking down your nose at everyone else or posting that stupid meme about "I don't want to live on this planet any more" makes you or me or anyone else any less at fault.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Oh, i didn't mean that she's doing it on purpose, if that's the way you understood my post. I just meant that she's **** blowing it.

I'm torn on voting for her (but my alternative is Green, although Jill Stein doesn't do much for me). It depends on how strongly California is predicted to go for hillary, or if there's going to be some doubt (which is, hopefully, doubtful).

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

It's amazing that people can even seriously contemplate voting for a party the ultimate policies of which would result in old people dying in the summer, and thousands freezing to death in the winter.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I suspect we're all choosing our poison, really.

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This cold and dark tormented hell
Is all I`ll ever know
So when you get to heaven
May the devil be the judge

It's rather sobering that next term's President will be a habitual liar and either delusionally vain or actually paranoid.

And to Hillary supporters -- yes, it's true that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. However, what you miss in your defense of Hillary is that just because they're out to get you doesn't mean you're NOT paranoid.

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"Aaaah! Emotions are weird!" - Amdee
"... Mirrorshades prevent the forces of normalcy from realizing that one is crazed and possibly dangerous. They are the symbol of the sun-staring visionary, the biker, the rocker, the policeman, and similar outlaws." - Bruce Sterling, preface to Mirrorshades

All we can hope for at this point is that whichever of these turds gets plopped in the Oval Office, they'll be flushed away in 2020.

Unbelievable.

I'm expecting that to be the most likely outcome. In a way, that almost makes me want to vote for Clinton, since I'm fairly sure her term will hand the White House to the Republicans for 8-12 years, and I expect her to accomplish little in the intervening time, since like Obama she will think she can do as she pleases without Congress, but without his level of charisma or political savvy to pull it off.

However, I'm not sure enough about this that I could commit to voting for Clinton as a tactical move. I live in Texas, and that's going to Trump so it's pretty irrelevant anyhow.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

I've saw some political analyst who said something similar: "Whichever party wins the presidency in 2016 ultimately loses. They've got 4 years, during which time the opposing party should be able to clean house and get things in order." The implication is, if you tend to vote republican, but find trump distasteful, you should hold your nose and vote for Hillary because she can't do much harm in 4 years and it will make the GOP a better party.

(Or vice versa - if you're a democrat who hates Hillary, then go ahead and vote for the buffoon because it will improve the democrats if he wins.)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

You mean the Republican party?

No, wait... that's just their healthcare platform.

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Holy shitsnacks!