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Well, I see why they moved AoS to ten at night. The blood in the first episode alone would have drawn some ire at eight or even nine.

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2 days until Luke Cage hits Netflix.

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This looks so dang good. I didn't even know I wanted a Dr. Strange movie ;)

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2 days until Luke Cage hits Netflix.

The wait is only semi-unbearable.

How long 'till Iron Fist, dammit?

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Far, far too long.

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Episode 1 of Luke Cage makes an excellent case for reminding people that these series are tied into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We have new york street vendors selling HD videos of "The Incident", including "Tony Stark, the big blond dude with the hammer, the old dude with the shield, the green monster (and I don't mean Fenway). You can't get better raw footage of The Incident anywhere else but right here."

Then the villain is a Harlem arms dealer selling "pure, the kinda **** that could blow a hole in a battleship, light enough to hold in your hand. Trust me...you can brighten someone's day permanently with this ****. Top of the line, the creme de la creme, military Justin Hammer-level ****." (And the weapons crates are labelled with HAMMER INDUSTRIES.)

All in the first 20 minutes.

It's a good reminder of the setting.

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I was just kind of...meh on it until the end of the second episode. Tis good stuff.

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I was just kind of...meh on it until the end of the second episode. Tis good stuff.


Wife and I got through 5 eps this weekend.

Its good. Real good.

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I was just kind of...meh on it until the end of the second episode. Tis good stuff.


Wife and I got through 5 eps this weekend.

Its good. Real good.


It did not hook me right away. Each episode has been better than the one before it. I finished 8 this morning...omfg.

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Iron Fist, 3-17-17....so close yet so **** far away.

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Iron Fist, 3-17-17....so close yet so **** far away.

So true.

Also, not very helpful, but a lovely little effect.


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I think I spotted Colleen Wing, maybe? Neat. Maybe we will get a Daughters of the Dragon spin-off, which makes me happy because Misty was awesome.

Also super glad to see Madame Gao return. We knew from Daredevil season 1 she's connected to Steel Serpent, but I was a little worried she might not personally come back to New York for screen time. Again, I really liked the character.

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**** yes! No suit but still, I am excited.

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Iron Fist is a white dude? I... did not see that coming.

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Iron Fist is a white dude? I... did not see that coming.

Always has been. It's why I was kind of surprised they were going to go ahead with him, as I can't imagine how the social justice blogosphere can do anything BUT erupt over allegations of cultural appropriation and whatnot. Tilda Swinton is whitewashing in Doctor Strange, Iron Fist as a character is all about "stealing" Asian tropes and mastering them as a white dude.

Or, at least, it is if you're looking to be offended. Played right, it should be about cultural immersion and being adopted into the culture, and learning respect for it. But that's a really fine line to walk to everybody's satisfaction, and so I'm kind of surprised they're taking the risk to try in the first place.

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A better look at the crazypants stuff.



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Maybe I've just been burned to many times by crappy X-Men and Wolverine movies from Fox, but I'm not that excited about this.


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I know what you mean but...that looks good. And the Wolverine movie in Japan was pretty good.

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We'll see. Other than First Class, none of the X-Men titles have drawn me to the theater since X2. For me, based on this trailer, this is another wait-for-cable/Netflix title.

It's too bad that Fox controls all things Mutant and we're stuck with the pseudo-surrogate Inhuman stuff now within the MCU. I'm not even sure how they could fold these characters in now (not that it's ever likely to happen).


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We'll see. Other than First Class, none of the X-Men titles have drawn me to the theater since X2. For me, based on this trailer, this is another wait-for-cable/Netflix title.

It's too bad that Fox controls all things Mutant and we're stuck with the pseudo-surrogate Inhuman stuff now within the MCU. I'm not even sure how they could fold these characters in now (not that it's ever likely to happen).

I'm not seeing a big problem bringing back mutants into the fold if Fox ever relinquishes their license. In comic continuity, the Inhumans are genetically engineered from humanity by the Kree to boost them along the evolutionary process. Mutants, meanwhile, are the natural evolution of humanity along a roughly parallel path, millennia later. In the comics, all mutants share certain genetic markers and traits (which is where most every experiment Beast does and plot devices like the mutant plague come into play), as outrageously improbable that individual mutations would exhibit such common behaviors is from a scientific point of view. So there's a technical difference between a mutant and a post-terrigenesis Inhuman at a genetic level, though they tend to present similarly (random manifestation of superpowers and/or physical attributes).

In the MCU, Inhumans (if I'm remembering revelations from season 2 correctly) are implied to have trace amounts of Kree in their ancestry, providing them the ability to survive exposure to terigen, which spurs mutation in them akin to the comics. In order to bring mutants back into the MCU, all you do is... make mutants in the natural human population. Get rid of the genetic difference in the mutations themselves, and now you can pitch the Inhuman / mutant divide as a cultural one. Have the existing "converted" mutants who are presented currently as Inhuman on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., like Quake and Yo-Yo, have a falling out with the Inhuman leadership (I've heard rumors that we're going to see more classic Inhuman characters turn up in season 4 anyways), which breaks off to go found Attilan or whatever. Now, you have mutants identifying as mutants (and non-trace-Kree mutants would welcome the chance to not associate themselves with the double-freak Inhumans, who are part alien as well as scary mutants), even if a few of them happen to have their mutations derived from terigen thanks to their ancestry. Does it get a little messy? Sure. If you run a mutant plague in my system, Inhumans are also susceptible. And there would be a few mutants who might have anti-Kree bias directed against them if word got out. But whatever, those are details.

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I'm not seeing a big problem bringing back mutants into the fold if Fox ever relinquishes their license. In comic continuity, the Inhumans are genetically engineered from humanity by the Kree to boost them along the evolutionary process. Mutants, meanwhile, are the natural evolution of humanity along a roughly parallel path, millennia later. In the comics, all mutants share certain genetic markers and traits (which is where most every experiment Beast does and plot devices like the mutant plague come into play), as outrageously improbable that individual mutations would exhibit such common behaviors is from a scientific point of view. So there's a technical difference between a mutant and a post-terrigenesis Inhuman at a genetic level, though they tend to present similarly (random manifestation of superpowers and/or physical attributes).

In the MCU, Inhumans (if I'm remembering revelations from season 2 correctly) are implied to have trace amounts of Kree in their ancestry, providing them the ability to survive exposure to terigen, which spurs mutation in them akin to the comics. In order to bring mutants back into the MCU, all you do is... make mutants in the natural human population. Get rid of the genetic difference in the mutations themselves, and now you can pitch the Inhuman / mutant divide as a cultural one. Have the existing "converted" mutants who are presented currently as Inhuman on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., like Quake and Yo-Yo, have a falling out with the Inhuman leadership (I've heard rumors that we're going to see more classic Inhuman characters turn up in season 4 anyways), which breaks off to go found Attilan or whatever. Now, you have mutants identifying as mutants (and non-trace-Kree mutants would welcome the chance to not associate themselves with the double-freak Inhumans, who are part alien as well as scary mutants), even if a few of them happen to have their mutations derived from terigen thanks to their ancestry. Does it get a little messy? Sure. If you run a mutant plague in my system, Inhumans are also susceptible. And there would be a few mutants who might have anti-Kree bias directed against them if word got out. But whatever, those are details.


I'm with you, as far as the ability to define the differences and perhaps retcon a few current MCU characters if needed. While I'm not as well-versed on the background of the Inhumans within the comics, I know enough to see that Marvel went about he MCU stuff with care.

The things that make me skeptical are wrapped up in the fact that these other Fox-controlled characters should 'be around' already, and SHIELD would have tabs on them. Let's say the rights revert to Disney. How do they deal with all the backstory and history that is involved with the X-people that now can't fit in the MCU because they would be 'new'?

You'd have to either come-up with alternate origins for many of those characters, or employ some major hand-waving as to why these X-guys have been around all this time but no one noticed them. Maybe Dr. Strange has been mind-wiping the world regarding these guys, because...?

Anyway, not impossible, but it would likely be a fine line to try and tread between keeping the MCU internally consistent and not pissing off all the comic fans. Which I imagine is already a large task!


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Oh, I don't think I see Marvel bringing the current Fox versions over and keeping the existing Fox movies.

Look at Spider-Man. Sony and Disney worked it out so that Spider-Man ports over into the MCU concurrent with a reboot that fits the MCU. Young, relatively new to the scene, etc. Not Garfield's Amazing Spider-Man who's already made a splash in an Avengers Tower-less NYC for two movies.

Besides, I'm pretty sure Marvel wants no part of trying to bring baggage like Wolverine: Origins or X-Men 3 into its universe and being associated with what they did to its characters.

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Agreed, regarding the existing X-movies and actors, etc. I don't see Disney wanting to attach themselves to that, nor would I want them to.

So then, you are stuck either saying:

- 'Look! A new wave of heroes is born! Mutants abound!' and fit new origin stories into the MCU as we know it. No Logan from the 1880's; probably no holocaust background for Magneto, etc. This treatment is already necessary to varying degrees within the MCU, but it hurts some characters move than others, IMO.

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- 'Meanwhile, back at the Hall of Justice these other freaks have been running around unnoticed!' By that, I mean bringing in new actors playing the X-characters, who's origins remain closer to the comics (where possible and/or important to the character).

Or maybe some combination of the above, depending on the character.

Fun to speculate about, but I wonder how likely it is that we would ever see such a thing?


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