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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:33 am 
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On Tuesday, January 12, members of the California Assembly will hold a historic vote on statewide marijuana policy. Members of the Public Safety Committee will decide on Assembly Bill 390, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act, which seeks to regulate and control the production, distribution, and personal use of marijuana for adults age 21 and older.

[UPDATE from Russ Belville: NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano and MPP's California director Aaron Smith join me this afternoon's NORML SHOW LIVE, airing at 1pm Pacific / 4pm Eastern, to discuss this historic vote in California. Call in with your questions to 347-994-1810]

Tuesday’s vote will mark the first time since 1913, when California became one of the first states in the nation to enact cannabis prohibition, that lawmakers have reassessed this failed policy.

If a majority of the Public Safety Committee votes ‘yes’ on AB 390, the bill will immediately face a separate vote in the California State Assembly Committee on Health. (I have been tentatively invited to testify before this committee; you can read my prepared testimony here.) In short, members of both committees will likely be voting on this historic measure next week. That is why we need your support in contacting the members of these legislative committees today!

To date, over 8,000 of you have contacted your California Assemblymembers via NORML’s Capwiz ‘Take Action’ Center. This is a tremendous outpouring of public support, but we need to ramp up our advocacy before next week’s vote.


In seven days, California might be the first state to emerge from the recession, pay all of its debt before the end of business, and turn a profit.

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I hope that if this does pass; they require in state ID for sales.

My reasoning for this:
Say I go to visit Micheal or Lenas, I decide "hey I am in cali.. I am gonna get high" and I do so...

I go back to work two days later and BLAM.. random drug test. Suddenly I get fired for using drugs.

or scenario 2: Bob goes to California and buys the maximum state allowed 'personal use' amount of pot. He then is travelling across the statelines with said pot, and gets arrested for possession.

Either way; bad juju.

I also hope other states follow suit if this passes.

I may have quit smoking, but I did tell Lisa that if they ever legalize pot, I am going to sit back and enjoy a joint legally.

I personally feel marijuana is less of a danger than alcohol, but I am not a doctor.. so what do I know.

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In both cases wouldn't that be the individual's fault.

likely it will be like fireworks where they make you sign a paper to really really promise to use them in accordance with ohter state laws.

I'll say it before and i'll say it again. We need better testing so I don't loose my job because I accidently got too close to some second hand MJ smoke first.

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Or what happens when we have our first MJ related traffic fatality and no drving while stoned laws?

And if MJ is "so safe, man" then why don't we have Random BAL and nicotine job testing.

I'm not saying we shouldn't legalize it, but I'm saying that that stoners that want the law changed haven't thought it though.

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Interested to see what the USSC has to say on this matter and w/ regards to the Tenth Amendment.

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Or what happens when we have our first MJ related traffic fatality and no drving while stoned laws?

I was of the impression all, or at least almost all, of the state driving laws had been amended to include impaired ability from drug use, not just being drunk.


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Ladas wrote:
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Or what happens when we have our first MJ related traffic fatality and no drving while stoned laws?

I was of the impression all, or at least almost all, of the state driving laws had been amended to include impaired ability from drug use, not just being drunk.


They have.

If CA wants to legalize marijuana, I see no problem with it, as long as it's properly regulated like alcohol and tobacco.

It is not going to pay all its bills and end the recession though, and it's going to replace old problems with news ones. That's just they way things go. It may have a net positive effect, but it's not goign to usher in any utopias.

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It may have a net positive effect, but it's not goign to usher in any utopias.


This. I hope they do it so this will happen and all the stoners everywhere can quit ***** about how it would create a utopia, because I'm sick of hearing it. Here's some anecdotal evidence, IN YO FACE!

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How rigid is California's anti smoking laws?

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IN YO FACE!

This.

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Rafael wrote:
Diamondeye wrote:
It may have a net positive effect, but it's not goign to usher in any utopias.


This. I hope they do it so this will happen and all the stoners everywhere can quit ***** about how it would create a utopia, because I'm sick of hearing it. Here's some anecdotal evidence, IN YO FACE!


Dude. Thats like way harsh. You're totally killing my buzz. :lol:

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This will create an awesome state-vs.-fed power showdown. Go California!

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Uncle Fester wrote:
How rigid is California's anti smoking laws?


Over-all, the usual smoke outside 20' from an entrance. It varies by municipality though; parks, beaches, Bus Stops, ATMs and apartments you rent are all locations where smoking is illegal somewhere in CA.

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For the record, I support legalizing it as long as it is treated the same way as alcohol (as I find the effects to be similar). No driving, no doing it on the job, and keep it regulated appropriately.


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This will create an awesome state-vs.-fed power showdown. Go California!


Indeed.

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Lenas wrote:
For the record, I support legalizing it as long as it is treated the same way as alcohol (as I find the effects to be similar). No driving, no doing it on the job, and keep it regulated appropriately.


This. I don't want to smoke(I already did that part of my life...then I grew up). But people should have the right to do it as long as it is kept away from people that don't want to be exposed to it.

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One of the good things Obama did was to prohibit the FDA and DEA from prosecuting drug offenses for MJ when it is legal in the state in question.

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Like I said if we could just get past the whole second hand exposure creating false positives i'd be happy to let people ruin their own lives. No one ever seems to address that.

Look Tobacco smokers don't follow the outdoor No smokeing restrictions why will the potheads?

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If it's a hair drug test, secondhand pot smoke could be detected. The protocol for hair tests requires that when a test comes out positive, they take a second sample, wash it, then test both the washed sample and the wash water. When they test the hair the second time they will test for metabolites and NOT for THC itself. If there aren't any metabolites in the hair and the wash water comes out positive, they assume it's secondhand smoke and record the test as negative.


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Second-hand marijuana smoke — buzz producing, or not — can leave traces of the chemical tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in your urine for a day or so after breathing the smoke. However, the amount is usually not enough to make you test positive. Most drug tests have intentionally high standards to avoid false positive results due to incidental ingestion of second-hand smoke.

By the way, in order for you to test positive for THC, the marijuana smoke would have to be so thick that it would irritate the eyes of smokers and passive smoke breathers alike. Avoiding smoke-filled cars, unventilated rooms, and other enclosed smoky spaces can help ensure that you can hang out while your friends toke and still be clean for bugle call in the morning.


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Well thank you Lenas. I was under the impression it was much worse.

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In both cases wouldn't that be the individual's fault.

likely it will be like fireworks where they make you sign a paper to really really promise to use them in accordance with ohter state laws.

I'll say it before and i'll say it again. We need better testing so I don't loose my job because I accidently got too close to some second hand MJ smoke first.


I'm not a stoner, I barely even drink and I'd change the law. I like liberty?

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So do I, I just don't think it's the magic bullet everyone seems to think it is, and the logisitcs need to be well thought out.

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Treat it exactly like alcohol - sales, usage and penalties included. What else is there to figure out?


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sounds good to me. As long as it includes the public consumption and intoxication statutes as well, as the debilitation level is more inline with that than tobacco

Ideally i'd like to see a Dutch style model first.

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