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Seems you only need a few seconds of gayness to drive all the bigots crazy.

Oh, the bigots are the ones going crazy?

Put a white guy as the Airbender, you get crazy.
Put a cornrows on a white, you get crazy.
Put a non-indigenous in a tepee, you get crazy.

Cultural appropriation, etc, you get crazy.

But, you put out a black Orphan Annie? Wizard of Oz? Change a hetro character to gay? That's "re-imagining" the role.

None of which drives me crazy, but "crazy" is the coin of the realm to those looking for attention for a cause.

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Put a white guy as the Airbender, you get crazy.


Avatar:TLA is an american show. What exactly is anyone appropriating?

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Put a cornrows on a white, you get crazy.
Put a non-indigenous in a tepee, you get crazy.

Cultural appropriation, etc, you get crazy.


I'm sure someone, somewhere takes issue with this, but it's all nonsense. And nobody's banned any movies over it.

I have issues if you fundamentally change the appearance or character of a fictional character to which I am attached in some way. (Sulu should not have been made gay. George Takei agrees.) This isn't because it's offensive. It's because it's not the same character anymore.

Interestingly, Lafou was not changed for this Disney movie. He shows no interest in women in the original cartoon, and clearly idolizes Gaston. Making it a bit more obvious why is no departure from what we already saw.

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Talya wrote:
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Put a white guy as the Airbender, you get crazy.


Avatar:TLA is an american show. What exactly is anyone appropriating?

M. Night Shyamalan's version caused all sorts of consternation for sjw's

http://www.salon.com/2010/04/05/last_ai ... _open2010/

Like I said, you get crazy whenever folks want attention. I don't see any difference with BatB

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Taskiss wrote:
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Put a white guy as the Airbender, you get crazy.


Avatar:TLA is an american show. What exactly is anyone appropriating?

M. Night Shyamalan's version caused all sorts of consternation for sjw's

http://www.salon.com/2010/04/05/last_ai ... _open2010/

Like I said, you get crazy whenever folks want attention. I don't see any difference with BatB


The biggest consternation it should have caused is how much it sucked.

Regardless, it's not like anybody banned it for the white guy playing a monk on a cartoon (who was a wide-eyed white kid on the cartoon.) And nobody would have cared if they had!

Edit: I spent a few seconds looking over that bullshit Salon article you linked me. Jesus **** Christ, some people are dumb.

Here's the main character of avatar beside two Inuit-based asian-skin colored people in the cartoon:

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How asian does that wide-eyed white kid in the middle look, anyway?

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Folks ban movies for all sorts of weird reasons...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films

... and yeah, folks can be real idiots.

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At what point did this gay attraction in B&B become the main thrust of the story?


Malaysia only wanted to cut less than a minute from the movie, which would have made the sexual orientation of the character in question unknown. Disney commendably did not allow this.

Seems you only need a few seconds of gayness to drive all the bigots crazy.


I'm aware of how short the scene is. That was the point. This movie was not made to highlight same sex activity or attraction; it's a minor element. It's not unlike the occasional ESO quest which does the same. The appropriate response to Malaysia, Russia, or some theatre in Alabama is not "Disney is striking a blow for morality" it's "fine, whatever". If they want to ban the movie over a ~45 second clip about gayness, the foolishness is obvious. Yet the objections to the objections take on this tone as if the whole movie was really about this short clip.

Like I said, this is not a controversy. It's one theater in Alabama, Malaysia (lol who cares) and Russia. I car a lot more about what Russia is doing with the RS-28 or near the Baltic States than about some Disney flick.

The more you act like bigots are irrelevant, the sooner they'll be irrelevant. It makes no sense to give this the time of day. I wonder, if the bigots went away, what would people have to complain about?

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...what would people have to complain about?

If BatB does a John Carter, the shareholders would (and I liked that movie)

While I couldn't care less about what the movie portrays, if I were a shareholder and it bites me in my retirement account, then I would.

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If BatB does a John Carter, the shareholders would (and I liked that movie)

While I couldn't care less about what the movie portrays, if I were a shareholder and it bites me in my retirement account, then I would.


John Carter was a marketing disaster, which is a shame because nobody saw an awesome movie as a consequence. But that was five years ago. Disney shareholders are very pleased with the movie division (Buena Vista Studios) of Walt Disney Company after last year.

Domestic Box Office Only (International was even better, with 7 billion global box office.)

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...what would people have to complain about?

If BatB does a John Carter, the shareholders would (and I liked that movie)

While I couldn't care less about what the movie portrays, if I were a shareholder and it bites me in my retirement account, then I would.


Out of curiosity, are you also OK with Sony's censorship of their North Korea movie, as well as the almost complete absence of any kind of criticism, satire, or humor at the expense of Islam or the Middle East coming from the mainstream US media? Because all of that is also done for financial reasons.


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If BatB does a John Carter, the shareholders would (and I liked that movie)

While I couldn't care less about what the movie portrays, if I were a shareholder and it bites me in my retirement account, then I would.


Out of curiosity, are you also OK with Sony's censorship of their North Korea movie, as well as the almost complete absence of any kind of criticism, satire, or humor at the expense of Islam or the Middle East coming from the mainstream US media? Because all of that is also done for financial reasons.


Based on Taskiss's posting history, I suspect he's fine with those things.

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Since faggots and dykes took over Disney and began using it to push the Gay Agenda on peaceful homophobes.


I'm assuming this is sarcasm. But my retort to any idiot who truly believes that is:

So, for at least the last 30 years? Many Disney Imagineers over the past few decades have been homosexual. Not to mention the person who saved Beauty and the Beast from production hell and made it what it is today: Howard Ashman.

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If BatB does a John Carter, the shareholders would (and I liked that movie)

While I couldn't care less about what the movie portrays, if I were a shareholder and it bites me in my retirement account, then I would.


Out of curiosity, are you also OK with Sony's censorship of their North Korea movie, as well as the almost complete absence of any kind of criticism, satire, or humor at the expense of Islam or the Middle East coming from the mainstream US media? Because all of that is also done for financial reasons.

A company can make any decision they want with their property as long as it doesn't violate any laws, me being OK with it is irrelevant... and I'm OK with not having a whit of influence over their decisions. They have to answer to their shareholders, not me. If I were a shareholder, I'd expect the same out of a corp that I do from a slot machine, I can win or lose. It's a gamble but I expect them to follow the laws/regs.

I got no bones to pick with North Korea (outside their nuclear ambition and reported human rights violations), Muslims, or anyone, really. I have no problem with the media, as such. I don't believe the media is anything other than a revenue stream though, selling a product to folks that want to consume it. Want some fries with that heapin' helpin' of deep fried bias?

I expect businesses to be profit driven and I don't expect altruism from a for-profit enterprise.

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Talya wrote:
Based on Taskiss's posting history, I suspect he's fine with those things.

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Canada's not even a real country, anyway.

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Based on Taskiss's posting history, I suspect he's fine with those things.

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In the words of someone whom, over the years, I've come to respect -

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The problem is that manly, macho, man's man Gaston is made super homofaggygay by having a man make googlyeyes at him. If you can't understand what a threat this is to civil society, it's only because you've been indoctrinated by the Gay Agenda.

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The problem is that manly, macho, man's man Gaston is made super homofaggygay by having a man make googlyeyes at him. If you can't understand what a threat this is to civil society, it's only because you've been indoctrinated by the Gay Agenda.

In the story, Gaston is pretty evil, I'd be more offended as a gay person because of that than the super ... whatever you called them ... about the current outrage du jour. I'm not sure how the character is portrayed in the current incarnation of the story, though.

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having just seen the movie, any outrage is unfounded.


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I'm pretty sure we started off the conversation with that being a main tenet.

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We wanted to take the grandchildren but couldn't get tickets 6 hours in advance.

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I'm pretty sure we started off the conversation with that being a main tenet.


Tough to come to a conclusion without seeing it.


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Not really. Teh gayz0rz have been destroying America for decades. They've burrowed so deep into our society that even God couldn't clean them out with that hurricane twelve years ago. Before you know it, those damned liberal activist judges will legalize gay marriage, and force every god fearing Christian man to take it in the butt.

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Not really. Teh gayz0rz have been destroying America for decades. They've burrowed so deep into our society that even God couldn't clean them out with that hurricane twelve years ago. Before you know it, those damned liberal activist judges will legalize gay marriage, and force every god fearing Christian man to take it in the butt.


Why don't you go tell the people at the Alabama theater this, since they're apparently the only ones concerned about it? I hear snarking off at people is really convincing and causes them to carefully re-evaluate deep-seated opinions in light of the new information.

Of course, then you'd need to find new people to point at and say "look how much smarter I am than them!"
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You know, this sort of thing actually makes the anti-gay crowd look smarter than they are. People aren't concerned about woman-bighorn ram/human hybrid (lol buffalo, wtf kind of idiot thinks its a buffalo cross?) romance because human-ram hybrids do not exist in real life. Gay people do. "Lol look at these hypocrites not getting equally upset about a similar situation that isn't even physically possible" doesn't make the anti-gay croiwd look stupid, it makes the snarkers look like they've got nothing but snark.

I don't remember all the details of the B&B storyline because it's a boring story I don't give a **** about to begin with (like most Disney princess stories), but from what I do recall, neither Gaston nor LeFou are really admirable or sympathetic people to begin with. If you want to point out how silly the anti-gay people are being, point out that they're complaining about relatively negative people having the gay moment. Hard to hear, but gay people can be just as genuinely shitty people as anyone else and if we're going to have regular appearances of same-sex attraction in films, they gay rights crowd is going to have to get used to the idea that every time a gay person is the bad guy it's not a tacit message of homophobia. There's nothing stopping the gay dude from being a bank robber.

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...look at these hypocrites not getting equally upset about...

Ah, the coin of the realm for SJW's of every stripe.

I was thinking back on movies in the past and remembered "Stardust", a Neil Gaiman book adaptation. I really enjoyed the way the character "Captain Shakespeare" was presented, not from a social statement point of view, but it was, to me, a fun character in a fun movie and De Niro looked as if he enjoyed the part. It's from 2007, but I don't remember any outcry from anyone over it.

We'll be watching BatB Saturday with the grand's, I can't see any reason to be concerned about the content.

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