The Glade 4.0

Can we maybe wrap up the ones we're in before we start another one?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/politics/ ... index.html

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Holy shitsnacks!

It's absolutely in the US's core national interest to reinforce the international norm against the use of chemical weapons. We don't have to invade Syria over it, but we should absolutely be sending a message - to Syria, Iran, NK, and everyone else - that the use of chemical weapons will provoke a response.

Really, we get it. You're a liberal now. Just shut the **** up.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Indeed this is a weapon even Hitler refused to employ.



The Nazis wouldn't use this **** on the battlefield. This **** barbarian used it on unprotected women and children.

And this is AFTER it already happened once and we were assured that **** had given all his chemicals up to the Russians.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Even assuming Assad used chemical weapons, in a war he was winning, that he knew would bring a strong international response, what business is it of ours?

This reeks of a CIA op.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Mr. Assad has been pursuing this same strategy for years, pretty much since the unrest against him started, even before ISIS had a foothold in Syria.

This is the tactic:

"For any civillians outside our area of control, life will be as miserable and short as it is possible to make it. Nobody can protect you except us. Civillians inside our area of control are safe, but outside, your lives will be hell, until we put you out of your misery. Don't count on international law. Don't count on the U.N. America the great Satan cannot help you. We are either your salvation or your doom, the choice is yours."

The use of chemical weapons is a clear continuation of this tactic, and it's not even the first time they've done it over the last three years. It's just the first time we've been able to prove it, unequivocably.

It is not in America's interests for it to be true. It is not a CIA op -- It would be much easier for the US if Mr. Assad were a responsible international citizen and a reliable leader. As it stands, there's no good outcome here. We cannot let Assad rule Syria, and we cannot let ISIS topple him.

But the US Government here has made the only choice it could without opening the door to utter chaos everywhere in the world: The use of chemical weapons CANNOT be tolerated without punitive measures. America doesn't have to invade and actively work toward toppling Assad, but they can damn well make sure that the use of such weapons costs far more than any benefits it gives. At the very least this sets the example for other would be despots: There is no benefit to breaking international law. Using prohibited weapons that intentionally target civillians will cost you.

Dearly.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Just to be clear, you think it's reasonably likely that the CIA launched a covert chemical weapons strike against a civilian medical facility in order to frame the Syrian government for it and thus justify further US intervention? And, given the choice between that scenario and a scenario in which the Assad regime is responsible - a regime which unquestionably targets civilians and medical facilities on a regular basis, has tortured tens of thousands of its own citizens to death, and otherwise flagrantly violates every rule of war there is - you suspect the CIA scenario is the right one?

Don't forget that this whole scenario only benefits ISIS now. I'm sure that's high on the CIA's list of important tasks: propping up an extremely anti-western militant apocalyptic Islamic theocracy, right? Very plausible.

And I have a bridge to sell Elmo.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Your post reeks of "I am a moron on the level of Alex Jones".

The CIA does not keep a fleet of Russian-built military aircraft, pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, and Sarin gas around on the off chance they might need to gas civilians just so the President can fire a few dozen Tomahawks.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Really, we get it. You gargle Trump's balls. Just shut the **** up.

We have no business in Syria. Haven't for years. You wanna talk about the "Beautiful Babies"... maybe we should have worked on letting some of those refugees in.

Oh wait... that's because before they're dead, they're "potential terrorists".

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Holy shitsnacks!

Huh. Imagine that. The Russians aren't trustworthy.

That sounds like a lesson the idiot in chief should learn.

Or maybe they are trustworthy, and they're right about Assad not doing this. I wonder... where was ISIS that night? You don't think they'd have anything to gain by sparking a fight between Assad and Russia and the US?

Nah, just launch a bunch of missiles and blow up a few planes. That'll send a message right?

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Holy shitsnacks!

Trump isn't the issue here. Your problem with this results from you not liking Trump, and from your ongoing desire to prove to yourself that you really are a true believer in your new faith.



These people weren't refugees. They haven't even left Syria. You are truly plumbing the depths of irrelevancy in your quest to join the "no one but America is ever responsible for anything" club.

We do, however, have business discouraging the use of chemical weapons at any time and for any reason. Trump made it clear he wasn't even interested in Syria just days before - and what does Assad do? Gasses women and children, after Obama supposedly cut a swell deal so this would never happen... again.



They are, indeed, potential terrorists. You don't care about these people a bit; you care about using them to criticize the President. You have no concern whatsoever for the fact that they were attacked with gas as if they were cockroaches, you just want an excuse to crow and virtue signal.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Obama isn't in office anymore. He's the one who made the deal in question, so he's the only idiot in chief you could possibly be referring to.



Probably they were sitting around wishing they had aircraft to deliver chemicals with, and even a sliver of hope of not getting shot down by vastly superior enemy air forces.

This attack happened in rebel-held territory of the Idib province, which is completely surrounded by Syrian government held territory. ISIS has no weapons with the range to reach this area. Their paltry artillery capability does not include any weapons with that long of a range.



When Assad has a limited number of aircraft with which to deliver chemical weapons and you blow up a considerable number of them, plus his fueling facilities and damage his runways, that degrades his physical ability to conduct such attacks in the future.

Because loss of aircraft degrades the ability to conduct future air attacks, idiot. Maybe if you just snark off more that will start masking the fact that you're just grasping at straws to be mad at Trump.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

IMO we should have taken a shot at Assad.

**** him and the camel he rode in on.

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The Dude abides.

Well, not anymore.

(that was a bit dark. Damn.)

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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That .gif is so full of evil racist win.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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Yeah, I'm another liberal voice here and I can't really get how people can be so incensed over the firing of a few dozen cruise missiles in response to gassing civilians.

I will actually say I consider this response to be weak.

There should have been another dozen cruise missiles launched at the Presidential Palace in Damascus.

I'd suggest Trudeau order it, but I don't think we have cruise missiles, let alone ships in the region.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
█ ♣ █

Or they just made more. It doesn't take much to make sarin. The problem is stabilizing it because it has a short shelf life.

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When he's underwater does he get wet? Or does the water get him instead?

The main obstacle to productive discourse here is that the worst things Arafys and Diamondeye have to say about each other are all true.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Wow, I had forgotten that Mus used to be Arafys!

I wouldn't have to defend Trump so frequently if the criticisms themselves weren't so frequently far more ridiculous than Trump himself. Not to mention this false equivalence you're drawing. When one guy gasses civilians and another guy blows up the first guy's jets, the facts are definitely on the side of the person pointing out that the real bad guy is the one gassing civilians.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."

Lobby to buy some - including ships large enough to carry them. We can all do our part.

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"Hysterical children shrieking about right-wing anything need to go sit in the corner and be quiet while the adults are talking."