The Glade 4.0

All arguments, regardless of their veracity, are rendered invalid by the numerous fallacies we learn about in College Comp II.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Appeal to authority.

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Well Ali Baba had them forty thieves, Scheherezade had a thousand tales
But master you in luck 'cause up your sleeves you got a brand of magic never fails...
...Mister Aladdin, sir, What will your pleasure be?
Let me take your order, Jot it down -You ain't never had a friend like me
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You failed.

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself. B. Franklin

"A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone." -- Tyrion Lannister, A Game of Thrones

Your mistake is presuming they're taught in College Comp II.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

If they weren't, then someone didn't learn the required general education topics for their Bachelor's degree.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I didn't have to take any such class... as a matter of fact, the only class that would come close to that in curriculum was English Literature of the 20th Century, and that was an elective class.

Same, my GenEd requirements consisted of: English 020, Micro or Macro economics, History (1776-Reconstruction (well, 1877), Post 1877, "Modern Western History", or Political Science), a Literature elective, a History course that required the other history course as a pre-req (I took Modern East Asian History), A communications (the speech class where I was high and had to give a speech :/), and a general humanities elective (I selected Intermediate Micro-economics).

To tell the truth, Speech was useless, a joke and a waste of money, so was English 020 which really amounted to a worthless literature class.

Here's our advising tree: http://campus.mst.edu/maeem/programs/ad ... etree.html

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

I just find it interesting that apparently your English Comp course, which at every other college are remedial writing courses for what students were supposed to learn in high school, is apparently teaching what I consider intro Philosophy material.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

English 101 (Composition 1) teaches basic verbal argumentation and writing forms. It deals with organization, thematic unity, and other such fundamental issues of writing.

English 102 (Composition 2) teaches more advanced writing forms and structures, including elementary logic.

Philosophy 101 is Introduction to Western Philosophy.

Philosophy 102 is Logic and Rhetoric.

All 4 of those classes are required core curriculum at my university. We also require 3 Literature Classes (1 British, 1 American, 1 World) and 2 other philosophy courses.

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You all just lost the game.

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Holy shitsnacks!

Remind me to never attend your uni then.

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"...but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - De Tocqueville

Sounds appealing as hell to me.

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It feels like all the people who want limited government really just want government limited to Republicans.
---The Daily Show

It sounds fairly standard for a Bachelor of Arts.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

Really? Why haven't you made any effort to learn those subjects on your own, then?

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Our Basic Curriculum is ...

Core:
9 Hours of Math (If you CLEP or AP out of Calculus 1, you still need 9 Classroom Hours of Math, so you end up with Calc 2, Calc 3, and one other (usually Differential Equations))
12 Hours of Science (9 in a single discipline, one class over 300/3000 Level)
4 Hours of Science Labs (in the same discipline as your 9)
6 Hours of Rhetoric and Composition (English 101 and 102)
9 Hours of Literature (American, British, and World)
9 Hours of Political Science
9 Hours of History
3 Hours of Speech and Communication
6 Hours of Economics
12 Hours of Philosophy (Intro, Logic and Rhetoric, 2 Elective)
12 Hours in a Single Language (3 Hours above 300/3000) plus a Language Competency Exam
21 Hours in a Single Discipline above 300/3000 (6 Hours required above 400/4000 Level)

Then you have your Major:
36 Hours Mandatory to Major (21 Hours must be above 400/4000 Level)
15 Hours of Electives in Major Field of Study (9 Hours must be above 400/4000 Level)

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163 hours ... really?



Also, I'm going to have to go with, IN HIS FACE!

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

That's 154 hours combined.

That's 20-30 more than the average BA.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine

Not unless your definition of authority differs from the rest of ours.

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"Dress cops up as soldiers, give them military equipment, train them in military tactics, tell them they’re fighting a ‘war,’ and the consequences are predictable." —Radley Balko

Rafael:

Basically, we've shifted in the last decade to providing an honest liberal arts degree. Most 4 year institutions provide a 120-122 hour degree that doesn't produce a job or graduate school ready student.

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How many credits do you expect full-time students to take a semester? At 15 credits per semester that's a 5.5 year undergrad degree.

I still get 163 credits adding it 3 times, for the total program.

That's an average of 20-21 per semester if you want to get out in four years, which most students are restricted to since the majority of scholarship aid (both private and public) are assessed based on a four year program. I remember if you wanted to even take 19 hours or more, we were forced to get not only our advisor's signature, but two additional signatures from faculty in our department that could attest to your character as well as the signature of department Chair or his designee (Curators' professor for instance). If you didn't get his signature, you could appeal to the Vice Provost of Undergraduate studies.

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

Rafael:

41 hours per year over 3 semesters is 2 of 15 and 1 of 11 in the Summer.

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I'd say 2 or 3 summers will be removed for internships which are nearly required to pay your own way through school (even though I received some grants and lost of loans, I still needed the extra cash).

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"It's real, grew up in trife life, the times of white lines
The hype vice, murderous nighttimes and knife fights invite crimes" - Nasir Jones

You went to Rolla, for a ME if I remember right. Chances are, you did a Bachelor of Science program. I'm not sure what the course outline is at Rolla, but the equivalent degree at Washington University is 139 credit hours.

What I'm getting at here is that while Khross has posted what appears to be a rather intensive degree program, you may be underestimating just how many credit hours you took yourself.

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Buckle your pants or they might fall down.

I had 140 with no minor, but I transferred in with 63 from high school. Without going summers (when I worked full-time jobs), that meant an average of 15.4 per semester plus extracurricular activities; which were a big (read: necessary) part of my major.

That still allowed me to work part-time in addition.


Students who take 12 a semester and do nothing else make me want to be violent.

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“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” - Thomas Paine