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Lets see how it turns out

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If Trump wins it needs to be by a landslide.

If Biden wins, the whiplash as the corp media loses its scape-goat is going to be amazing.

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/forecast-president.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

This is instructive... scroll down to the meters for how group voting is changing. At the time of posting 3-$% gain in Black votes for Trump and 11% in Hispanics and more for Cubans specifically.

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I am not confident we will know a victor for days.


Also - it occurred to me today we might have an inversion from 2016. An inversion that will take the crown of hypocrisy from the reigning champ:

Trump could win the pop vote and Biden the electoral college.

Wouldn't that be some ****?

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I am not confident we will know a victor for days.


Also - it occurred to me today we might have an inversion from 2016. An inversion that will take the crown of hypocrisy from the reigning champ:

Trump could win the pop vote and Biden the electoral college.

Wouldn't that be some ****?


That would be hilarious.

I can envision quite a few scenarios going forward, but at this hour it looks as if the Republicans will at least hold a Senate majority.

Arizona looks to be in play for Biden; meanwhile Virginia has been un-called by several organizations. It's shaping up crazy.

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DFK! wrote:
I am not confident we will know a victor for days.


Also - it occurred to me today we might have an inversion from 2016. An inversion that will take the crown of hypocrisy from the reigning champ:

Trump could win the pop vote and Biden the electoral college.

Wouldn't that be some ****?



What would be some **** is that NY is one of the states that passed the law that all of their electoral college votes go to the national popular vote winner.

They have put Hillary Clinton in as an elector in the electoral college.

If Trump takes the popular vote it would force Hillary Clinton to vote for Trump.

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We probably won't know for a few days. Especially with the PA shenanigans.

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DFK! wrote:
I am not confident we will know a victor for days.


Also - it occurred to me today we might have an inversion from 2016. An inversion that will take the crown of hypocrisy from the reigning champ:

Trump could win the pop vote and Biden the electoral college.

Wouldn't that be some ****?



What would be some **** is that NY is one of the states that passed the law that all of their electoral college votes go to the national popular vote winner.

They have put Hillary Clinton in as an elector in the electoral college.

If Trump takes the popular vote it would force Hillary Clinton to vote for Trump.


Unlikely, but that would indeed be hilarious.

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We probably won't know for a few days. Especially with the PA shenanigans.



Probably, but Biden has 700k to make up in PA as of this reply.

MI prob Trump, WI clearly could go either way. GA also on the fence.

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We probably won't know for a few days. Especially with the PA shenanigans.



Probably, but Biden has 700k to make up in PA as of this reply.

MI prob Trump, WI clearly could go either way. GA also on the fence.


I feel like it's NC that is the long pole in the tent right now. I don't see Biden being able to make up the GA deficit at this hour. WI... either way, but MI is no longer an issue. PA... Is a mess because the USSC is repeating its misjudgement of Dred Scott (the external considerations of national stability, not the issues on the face of the case) and... could go either way.

I am very disappointed in the state of Arizona.

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I am very disappointed in the state of Arizona.


I assume what you mean is that you are disappointed in all the Californians who moved to Arizona.

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I am very disappointed in the state of Arizona.


I assume what you mean is that you are disappointed in all the Californians who moved to Arizona.

You can also be sure a lot of old people out there never forgave Trump for dooking on McCain.

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I am very disappointed in the state of Arizona.


I assume what you mean is that you are disappointed in all the Californians who moved to Arizona.


Yup.

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You can also be sure a lot of old people out there never forgave Trump for dooking on McCain.


That too.

With Biden looking to win with 270 or just barely over, the Republicans holding the Senate and picking up House seats, I'm surprisingly okay with this. If it finalizes that way, we can look forward to 2 years of divided government and likely midterm pickups.

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With Biden looking to win with 270 or just barely over, the Republicans holding the Senate and picking up House seats, I'm surprisingly okay with this. If it finalizes that way, we can look forward to 2 years of divided government and likely midterm pickups.



Mostly, yes. Gridlock prevents too much SJW/woke garbage. Prevents a broad ranging gun grab. Prevents major healthcare, tax, free college, Green New Deal, or other "resets" that have been talked about in last few months. If the centrist Dems can get the **** stones to dethrone Pelosi, I'd actually say I'm 100% fine with this outcome, frankly.

The only real worry of a Biden presidency met with gridlock is whackadoo executive orders. And in a normal year that's not much to worry about. With COVID, I get very worried about shutdowns or the economy with that type of whackadoodery on the table. But given that the rest of it is probably stalled, it could have been a lot worse. And sliding into the realm of conspiracy theories - I wouldn't be surprised at all if a Biden victory means CA, MI, NY, and some other places start reducing their lockdown severity.

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Diamondeye wrote:
With Biden looking to win with 270 or just barely over, the Republicans holding the Senate and picking up House seats, I'm surprisingly okay with this. If it finalizes that way, we can look forward to 2 years of divided government and likely midterm pickups.



Mostly, yes. Gridlock prevents too much SJW/woke garbage. Prevents a broad ranging gun grab. Prevents major healthcare, tax, free college, Green New Deal, or other "resets" that have been talked about in last few months. If the centrist Dems can get the **** stones to dethrone Pelosi, I'd actually say I'm 100% fine with this outcome, frankly.

The only real worry of a Biden presidency met with gridlock is whackadoo executive orders. And in a normal year that's not much to worry about. With COVID, I get very worried about shutdowns or the economy with that type of whackadoodery on the table. But given that the rest of it is probably stalled, it could have been a lot worse. And sliding into the realm of conspiracy theories - I wouldn't be surprised at all if a Biden victory means CA, MI, NY, and some other places start reducing their lockdown severity.


I'm not especially worry about the executive orders considering the *ahem* fortunate situation in the courts at the moment. My biggest worry is that Biden will resume permitting critical race theory in government HR. There are alarming signs that it's creeping into the military, and that makes me very glad I'm down to just a few years to retirement.

I doubt this will happen, but the Democrats/Left need to really look askance at what just happened:

They (likely) barely won the Presidency against someone they have, with the support of the press, spent the last 4 years alleging is the "worst criminal in human history" (Noam Chomsky made exactly that assertion; I believe last week) far past the point of absurdity (and in fact, damaging the credibility of entirely legitimate criticisms of Trump, which are many, even if far more pedestrian. "Boorish" isn't nearly as bad as "Nazi" but it sticks a lot more easily). This is the second time in a row that has happened.

Moreover, they failed to capture the Senate (and came within a hairsbreadth of not even picking up net seats; the Michigan race was exceedingly close) and lost seats in the house; several ostensibly "safe". They lost despite spending truly massive amounts of money; a quarter billion dollars was spent on Texas, Kentucky, and South Carolina and all three were not close. Even more important, Maine was not close. Iowa was not close. Yet, like in the Presidential race, they were portrayed as if the Republican was deep in trouble, both in the media and in the polling.

The polling industry has clear problems. Texas was not in play. Ohio was not actually in play; it has gone clearly red at this point, and likely Iowa has too. Pennsylvania may be headed that way. For some reason, this solidifying has been visible in Missouri, Colorado, and New Mexico, but has been badly missed in those states.

But more importantly, this was two waves meeting at the same time. This was a collision of two waves and it resulted in the essentially neutral Senate result, a likely Biden win of the Presidency, and a clear Republican victory in terms of the House (not in capturing a majority, but in greatly weakening the Dem majority, loss of "safe" seats", when the Dems were expecting to gain 6-7 net seats.)

Donald Trump's numerous liabilities were what generated the Blue wave (along with unrelenting bias against him for 4 years; both of those things can be true at the same time), not anything the Democrats have on offer. In reverse, what the Democrats are offering is largely what generated the Red wave. What Republicans have on offer positively is minimal, but they are offering to protect people's basic rights and freedoms against socialism, and against a Democrat establishment that would rather not go socialist, but is endlessly salami-sliced in that direction by it's, and the press's, utter terror at admitting that they have at least as big an extremism problem as the right.

The shift in Hispanic votes really ought to be something to make the Democrats sit up and take notice - and I live in the heart of that shift. It isn't just Cubans and Venezuelans; I live in south Texas, and Zapata county actually went Red. Starr county almost did to - it want from Clinton +60 to Biden +5. Yet the first thing we see are media figures planning to essentially vote Hispanics off the island of the left.

The Democrats have a serious internal problems, and ones that are unhealthy for the country. When you are relying on making major Constitutional changes in order to get your agenda through, and every loss is an example of Democracy "not working", you are not actually participating in Democracy (or a Republic) at all. When you see major constituency shifts, and when you can barely beat (if they have in fact won, which is still likely but not certain) the Presidency against someone alleged to have done literally zero positive things as President in 4 years, your answer cannot be "well, half the country just sucks."

I'm sure that those on the Left would be only to happy to tell me how this is all totally wrong, but no skin off my nose. I think the Republicans are waking up to smell the coffee that their own voters have been waving under their nose for at least 15 years. They're figuring out they have to actually fend off the crazy, not just talk about it. If the Left wants to hang onto its crazy because the thought that they are good, righteous and smart and the other side is deplorable... ok. Fine. When you're not running against Trump any more we'll see how that works out.

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The lefty hive I mostly lurk in thinks that most the country is full of sexist, racist, phobes and even if Biden wins they think America is just a bad place.

They are incredibly binary thinkers that live in the tech world and think everyone that opposes them is either stupid or evil.

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The lefty hive I mostly lurk in thinks that most the country is full of sexist, racist, phobes and even if Biden wins they think America is just a bad place.

They are incredibly binary thinkers that live in the tech world and think everyone that opposes them is either stupid or evil.


I mean, they're welcome to keep thinking that, but "You're a racist!" doesn't make the vote go away.

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The lefty hive I mostly lurk in thinks that most the country is full of sexist, racist, phobes and even if Biden wins they think America is just a bad place.

They are incredibly binary thinkers that live in the tech world and think everyone that opposes them is either stupid or evil.


Same here. And it's the blindness and lack of empathy that makes me worried for my kids.

Well, that and critical race theory, advancement of the idea of equality of outcome, and unwillingness to defend the first amendment.

Wokeness is a religion. All nonbelievers are vile sinners and barbarians.

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The lefty hive I mostly lurk in thinks that most the country is full of sexist, racist, phobes and even if Biden wins they think America is just a bad place.

They are incredibly binary thinkers that live in the tech world and think everyone that opposes them is either stupid or evil.


Same here. And it's the blindness and lack of empathy that makes me worried for my kids.

Well, that and critical race theory, advancement of the idea of equality of outcome, and unwillingness to defend the first amendment.

Wokeness is a religion. All nonbelievers are vile sinners and barbarians.


It's very alarming. I just completed an Army Senior Leaders (I guess I am one now) survey which wanted to know all the ways in which we're failing at Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and all the ways we're succeeding, and I basically put down that adopting leftist woke policies are how we're failing. and that I won't accept further commands or promotion if nothing changes. I plan to retire in 3 years anyhow though. The reality is that senior leaders are more worried about angry female Democrats in congress than anything else.

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The reality is that senior leaders are more worried about angry female Democrats in congress than anything else.


Goddamit, where's Mattis when you need him?

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IMO, Trump should want to lose. Who knows when the MMT monster will show up. He'd take the fall for decades of malfeasance.

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The reality is that senior leaders are more worried about angry female Democrats in congress than anything else.


Goddamit, where's Mattis when you need him?


He's a Marine; I can't speak to whether the crazy has infected them. I don't want to do this anymore; the problem is I have too much tied up in it, so it's a matter of "just try to get through three years and retire."

I've been watching this girl's channel a lot lately:

https://www.youtube.com/c/HomemadeWanderlust

If I had no other responsibilities in life, I'd go hike the Triple Crown, too. Living out of a backpack on a long-distance hike sounds like heaven right about now. Maybe my daughter and I will do it one day. Jessica told me recently "I just don't want to be in an office." She's 14 now.

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I think that movement is def growing DE. But I also don't know how sustainable that is, it's definitely a major change from the current societal norms at minimum. But hell, there's 50 "tiny house" shows on HGTV these days, so there must be something to it.

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I think that movement is def growing DE. But I also don't know how sustainable that is, it's definitely a major change from the current societal norms at minimum. But hell, there's 50 "tiny house" shows on HGTV these days, so there must be something to it.


It's not something do-able at the moment; I have my elderly mother living with us and three kids in school. But, we've kind of decided as a family (sans Mom) that camping and hiking is our thing, so we're starting to work up to it. When retirement approaches, the wife and I will probably take some summers and do at least two of the long trails.

I'd also like to live in the Rocky Mountains somewhere well out of town, so my wife and I can sit on the front porch naked smoking weed with a 12-guage next to me. When the Mormons come by they'll have 3 reasons to be unhappy; 4 if we get a dog.

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